Basilio vs DelaHoya @ 147

Welcome to the boards! I agree with your assessment. The manner of DLH's kayo loss to B-Hop was very telling to me, and Basilio could be devastating at either WW (as Tony Marino discovered), or MW (where he was one of only three people to take out another Goldenboy, Art Aragon, in 116 bouts Aragon had). Basilio was one of only two boxers to flatten Kid Gavilan in his 143 matches. (If Basilio hit DLH with the double left hook he dropped "The Keed" with, it would be "Nighty-night, Oscar!") I do think Basilio's 15 round pedigree comes into play here, and that he drowns Oscar in deeper water than you project. I figure Oscar would be outta there in closer to 14 rounds.

 

It sometimes seemed as if DLH was more concerned about furthering his career in fashion modeling than winning boxing matches. (One-eyed Michael Olajide could have taught him the futility of that approach. If that vain, maybe boxing isn't the right line of work, at least not if wanting to capture and hold the public's imagination.)

It's an old story, the contestant who loses by playing not to lose, instead of throwing caution to the wind, and leaving everything to chance in order to have a stab at winning. Ultimately, I have to question DLH's heart and desire. (That Oscar was kayoed by a single bodyshot from B-Hop, rather than a sense separating punch to the head delivered because he left himself open in trying to attack, is very disturbing to me.)

Unlike DLH (who didn't even try to get up against Hopkins), Virgil Hill actually got up from RJJ's rib cracking bodyshot within ten seconds, and deserves to eventually be inducted into the IBHOF. (I think Hill already had established his qualifications for induction by the time of the Jones fight.) I don't know that I can buy De La Hoya as a legitimate HOFer.

 

Well put. I have the same beef with the IBHOF that many critics of various halls of fame share; that they have diluted the value of their prestige through rampant inclusion. Of course DLH will be inducted the instant he becomes eligible, but if the IBHOF was as relatively hallowed and difficult to gain entry to as the Baseball HOF for example, would DLH be among those who might be excluded? (Along with many questionable inductees. Should LeRoy Nieman, Don King, Bob Arum, Jose Sulamian and Ingo be in there? Naturally, I understand the die is already cast.)

 

Sulamain has paved the way for Butterbean and Mia St John to be inducted. Hell hath frozen over in Canastota during June (where potatoes now turn into maggots every IBHOF induction weekend).

 

Basilio has a lot of knockouts in the championship rounds while Oscar tends to gas I see it being a close fight but Basilio's pressure pays and he tko's Oscar in 11.

 

DLH outboxes Basilio silly.

 

Basilio would be to much for oscar ,he is way to aggressive and tough as nalis

 

De La Hoya loves aggressive fighters. Ruelas, Chavez, Trinidad, Gatti, Vargas. He finds it much easier to trigger off his combinations on come forward aggressors. Only when sharing a ring with slick technical boxers like Whitaker, Mosley, and Mayweather has he struggled to find a good balance of defending and attacking.

When forced to be the hunter, De La Hoya becomes something he really wants his oppnent to be, as he's never been quite comfortable on full attack mode.

Basillo could take De La Hoya's heavy weapons, including the left hook. But I'm confident De La Hoya could stop Basillo late.

 

During the first fight Mosley was not the aggressor. He backed off and used the jab. He used the matador tactics, and De La Hoya was the bull. Only during a couple of the late rounds did Mosley decide to stand trade leather with a tiring De La Hoya, and he simply out-punched him three to one. De La Hoya never varied his strategy throughout the course of the entire fight, and played into Mosley hands.

De La Hoya won the rematch, and outboxed Mosley behind the jab and lateral movement. Roles reversed from the first fight. Controversial decision I might add.

Basillo certainly aint got the handspeed and combinations of Mosley. And Mosley at 147lbs was at his peak regarding speed. I've got many of his lightweight fights, and his hanspeed is noticably slower.

 

Basilio was an exciting fighter, but wasn't very skilled. DLH loved to dissect not very skillful aggressive fighters. People talk about Basilio being stronger and with harder punch, I really don't see it. A KD of Gavilan doesn't make you a KO artist, when you are showing no signs of being a hard puncher the rest of your career. Just because he gave two fights to old SRR that doesn't make him a great fighter either, by that time Ray already slipped too far away from his prime.