Jimmy Wilde: (december)1916-(march)1921 [loses claim when buff beats goldstein] Johhny Buff: (march)1921-(september)1922 [loses to villa] Pancho Villa: (september)1922-(march)1923 [loses to genaro] Frankie Genaro: (march)1923-(june)1923 [loses claim when villa beats wilde] Pancho Villa: (june)1923-(august)1925 [retires claim whilst la barba beats genaro] Fidel La Barba: (august)1925-(december)1927 [vacates claim whilst schwartz beats brown] Izzy Schwartz: (december)1927-(december)1928 [loses to pladner] Eugene Pladner: (december)1928-(april)1929 [loses to genaro] Frankie Genaro: (april)1929-(june)1929 [loses claim when huat beats pladner] Eugene Huat: (june)1929-(november)1929 [loses to bill] Black Bill: (november)1929-(march)1930 [loses to wolgast] Midget Wolgast: (march)1930-(october)1932 [loses claim when brown beats perez] Jackie Brown: (october)1932-(september)1935 [loses to lynch] Benny Lynch: (september)1935-(september)1938 [vacates claim whilst kane beats jurich] Peter Kane: (september)1938-(september)1939 [vacates claim whilst apterson beats ryan] Jackie Paterson: (may)1939-(october)1947 [loses claim when monaghan beats marino] Rinty Monaghan: (october)1947-(april)1950 [vacates claim whilst allen beats pratesi] Terry Allen: (april)1950-(august)1950 [loses to marino] Dado Marino: (august)1950-(may)1952 [loses to shirai] Yoshio Shirai: (may)1952-(november)1954 [loses to perez] Pascual Perez: (november)1954-(january)1959 [loses to yaoita] Sadao Yaoita: (january)1959-(november)1959 [loses to perez] Pascual Perez: (november)1959-(april)1960 [loses to kingpetch] Pone Kingpetch: (april)1960-(october)1962 [loses to harada] Fighting Harada: (october)1962-(september)1963 [vacates claim whilst ebihara beats kingpetch] Hiroyuki Ebihara: (september)1963-(july)1966 [loses to accavallo] Horacio Accavallo: (july)1966-(december)1966 [loses claim when chionoi beats mcgowan] Chartchai Chionoi: (december)1966-(february)1969 [loses to torres] Efran Torres: (february)1969-(march)1970 [loses to chionoi] Chartchai Chionoi: (march)1970-(december)1970 [loses to salavarria] Erbito Salavarria: (december)1970-(september)1972 [loses claim when borkhorsor beats gonzalez] Venice Borkhorsor: (september)1972-(august)1973 [vacates claim whilst gonzalez beats canto] Betulio Gonzalez: (august)1973-(october)1974 [loses to oguma] Shoji Oguma: (october)1974-(january)1975 [loses to canto] Miguel Canto: (january)1975-(march)1979 [loses to park] Chan-Hee Park: (march)1979-(may)1980 [loses to oguma] Shoji Oguma: (may)1980-(may)1981 [loses to avelar] Jose Avelar: (may)1981-(september)1981 [loses claim when herrera beats ibarra] Juan Herrera: (september)1981-(may)1982 [loses to lacier] Santos Lacier: (may)1982-(february)1986 [vacates claim whilst chitalad beats castillo] Sot Chitalada: (february)1986-(july)1988 [loses to kim] Yong-Kang Kim: (july)1988-(june)1989 [loses to chitalada] Sot Chitalada: (june)1989-(november)1990 [loses to chang] Jung-Koo Chang: (november)1990-(may)1991 [loses to kittikasem] Muangchai Kittikasem: (may)1991-(june)1992 [loses to arbachakov] Yuri Arbachakov: (june)1992-(august)1996 [loses to claim when johnson beats juarez] Marc Johnson: (august)1996-(november)1997 [loses claim when sasakul beats arbachakov] Chatchai Sasakul: (november)1997-(december)1998 [loses to pacquiao] Manny Pacquaio: (december)1998-(september)1999 [loses to singsurat] Medgoen Singsurat: (september)1999-(may)2000 [loses to tunacao] Malcolm Tunacao: (may)2000-(march)2001 [loses to wonjongkam] Pongsaklek Wonjongkam: (march)2001-(december)2004 [loses claim when darchinyan beats pachecho] Vic Darchinyan: (december)2004-(july)2007 [loses to donaire] Nonito Donaire: (july)2007- (november)2009 [vacates claim whilst komeda beats naito] Koki Kameda: (november)2009-(march)2010 [loses to wonjongkam] Pongsaklek Wonjongkam: (march)2010 - (march)2011 [loses to jaro] Sonny Boy Jaro: (march)2011 - Present [premiere flyweight in the world]
This is what I have so far, anythoughts? My first thought is that any claims of wilde being a lock should be shotdown; I'm not saying he isn't the goat at the weight (I personally have him there) but I'm saying it needs to be able to be justified because "we don't know much about his opposition" doesn't really justify goat status. The last 2 years of his title reign mean diddley squat as well since he was inactive. As a sidenote; One thing I've noticed is that in EVERY division from WW down, Jimmy Mclarnin has reared his atg head and defeated a top opponent, not quite sure he gets his dues but that's because ?I don't really ask people how they rate him
I can help out. When Ohba dies, Borkhorsor, having already defeated Betulio Gonzalez far more emphatically than the Jap', easily outboxes Salavarria to become no.1. Then moves up to Bantam. Then it's Canto until Park, then Oguma, then Avelar, Cardona....Castillo? Mercedes, Magri, Cerdeno, Kobayashi, Bernal, Chitalada. Its all down to how you rate Lacier as the 'lineal' crown is changing hands, going by how you go with things, I will definitely see you discarding 'lineage' by the time Cardona starches Avelar in one. Off the top of my head that's it (depending of your card in the 2nd Sot-Korean I can't remember fight) until Chang gets robbed against Sot then Kittikasem beats both. Not sure on Pone winning the 2nd fight with Harada from what I've seen of the bout. Ebihara starches Kingpetch. Then it's down to how you see their rematch. Ebihata felt he lost. The footage shows him to be doing the better work IMO. When you get to Burruni-Accavallo will be interesting. I go Burruni-McGowan-Chionoi. I'm stoned and all over the place, sorry for this post it's nonsensical and stream of consciousness, probably all wrong.
What are your thoughts flea (or anyone else out there)? unsure about the inlcusion of marc johnson and the exlcusion of eric morel but as a starting point i'm happy with the majority of it because around the early 80's the lineal title just became a journeyman free for all so i'm happy with it being usurped.
Too much for me to take in I'm afraid though I pretty much get to the same conclusion without moving around even when the reigning man hasn't lost. ALso, it wasn't a 'journeyman free for all'. Cerdeno was a journeyman, the rest all class in one way or another, despite what their records might say.
I'll have to take your word on that for now :good Anyways part 1 of my mass revaluation is completed now; I have a preliminary timeline for every division. Next I need to watch peak performances and key fights for each man in my prelim timelines then compile a meaningful resume for each man in my timelines. Hopefully within a year i'll have a top 400 or so that I can justify.
Amazing that Pacquiao was once the top flyweight, and later the top welterweight. A lot of his "world titles" have been junk, but the fact that he was the best at fly and later at welter is a truly remarkable feat.
