Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

People here on ESB are still butthurt that Roy Jones never fought the nobody Dariuz Michaaealjwasski

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpK1pCCc320[/ame]

Nunn approached Jones about a fight on three seperate occasions
once in 1996
The other two times was when he was Jones's wbc mandatory 98 and 99-02

 

RedDragon, Here we go again. Why does the Ruiz win mean **** all? Are you for real? Seriously? He was the WBA heavyweight Champion coming off of a win against Evander, that weighed 220 pounds. I'm not saying he was a great fighter, but it was a huge challenge for Roy to take. Respected journalists and fighters had Roy to lose because of the huge weight advantage Ruiz had.

This current crop of heavy's today, is complete garbage, so lets see how many of todays middleweights, super middleweights and Light heavyweights move up and fight and beat a top ten heavy. We'll all be waiting a long time. Roy had to put on 20 pounds just to make the weight, and he had no idea how the added weight would effect him. Then after making the weight, he was still outweighed by 20 pounds. Come on! Because Ruiz wasn't an all time heavy, we should just discount Roy's win? If it's that easy, why was Roy the first person in 106 years of the sport to do it. You make me laugh!

He had a lot of other good wins after Toney and Hopkins and you know it! Also you make it sound as though Toney and Hopkins are nobodies. Roy must be one of the most UNDERRATED fighters in the world.

 

Nunn was a great fighter, but 96-2002 he wasn't relevent. He was awesome back in the early 90's when Roy was up and coming, but later on he was fighting for the NABF and NABO. He lost to Rochigianni when Roy was at light heavy and I don't think anyone was desperate to see them fight at that point.

 

15 pages, Jesus.

Are posters still unaware that Bailey is a troll?

 

1...Adamek

2...you dont have to "make the weight" moving up

 

Jones NEVER beat a Undisputed, Unified, or Lineal champion in his whole career. He won a bunch of vacant trinket belts maneuvering through weight divisions avoiding the best fighters. He has an abysmal Glass Jaw. One of the worst in the sport. His whole career was carefully crafted and smoke and mirrors.

 

jacob hall couldn't prosecute jones because in 2000, indiana state had no law in place to punish steroid cheats. roy also refused to have another steroid test taken to confirm the findings - roy was obviously avoiding a 2nd test because he knew exactly what he was.

to clear his name. the likelyhood is that he never responded to further testing because he knew he was taking banned anabolic steroids and he didn't want to confirm this by taking a 2nd test - kinda makes sense really.

as stated before this was a pilot scheme by indiana, they did contact the governing bodies, but in 2000 indiana did not have the law to prosecute roy. they also required a 2nd test to confirm the steroids which roy refused to give twice.

are you for real? is roy going to get caught again and destroy his entire career and reputation? :nut

this is the whole point, from that point on roy jones had to peform as a clean fighter, this is when we saw the real roy jones, superman had gone forever.

 

are you for real? the greater recovery and ability to exercise would increase roys speed, strength, fitness, and power - 4 huge advantages for a boxer to have over his clean opponent.

your not really getting this are you? without the steroids roy loses a percentage of his speed, power, strength, and fitness. this in turn means that roy can't rely as much on his superman athleticism and needs to rely more on fundamnental boxing skills like his clean opponents. because of this, roy leaves his chin exposed because of reduced athleticism. roy had never had a chin in the first place.

 

cool story bro :thumbsup

 

Doyle,

You've named one former light heavy fighter. There's only been a handful. My post says how many of todays crop of middleweights, super middleweights and light heavyweights will move up. I don't think they'll be many if any at all. Could you see anybody from the Super Six moving up? I like Adamek, but he's never fought lower than 175 to my knowledge.

He didin't have to make the weight, but my point was, He did put on around 20 pounds of muscle to bulk up.

Rico, go on I'll bite. Your post is a complete joke! He avoided all the best men? Like who? Dariusz? Was Roy Scared?

Headbanger,

So Jacob Hall was powerless to do anything because of the Indiana State Commission?
The other Governing Bodies weren't even interested. They did nothing! He presented them with the so called facts and they did nothing. What about notifying HBO, The New York State Atheletic etc. Wouldn't they have been interested? Roy fought in New York a few times around this period I believe.

You say Roy avoided another test because he was guilty. I think he avoided a test because none of this was taken seriously. There was no media attention, None of the other Governing Bodies, who Roy represented seem to care, Roy and his team had already given an explination, and then it took them a whole 5 months to ask for another test, while Roy was in training camp. So there's no TV network at his gym etc pressing him, there's just Jacob Hall asking for another sample a whole 5 months after the first one.

You're saying Roy should have jumped at the chance to clear his name, I say him and his team had given an account of what had happened, and had bigger things to worry about at the time. He didn't have to clear his name, because nobody but Hall was even bothered. It's obvious Roy didin't take the whole thing seriously. Then Roy made a donation and the whole thing was forgotten? So Hall took a bribe then?

So to summarise, Roy had been taking Roids is whole career until he got caught against Hall, and then after he stopped taking them (4 years after) he got knocked out by Tarver and Johnson and was no longer Superman? Ha! It was nothing at all to do with the fact, that he'd gone from 200 pounds to 175 in just 8 months, and he was 35 and had around 50 fights? It nothing to do with that? The reason he lost to both of those fighters is because at that point, he wasn't on Roids anymore?

I can't stop laughing! So after Hall he wasn't stupid enough to take Roids anymore right? Well he didn't do too bad without them did he? He beat Harding who had beaten Tarver, in your opinion, without the Roids. Oh wait a minute, He didn't need the roids to beat Harding because Harding was appalling right? He fought Gonzalez, and again he didn't need his roids, because Gonzalez was a complete bum right? Then it's Woods. He was a complete bum too right? So Roy didn't need roids to TKO him in 6?

What about Ruiz? The biggest challenge of Roy's career? Ruiz obviously wasn't the best fighter he ever fought, but it was his biggest challenge ever. He had to bulk up quick by 20 pounds and then he still found himself being outweighed by around another 20 pounds. He'd past 4 or 5 other random tests before Ruiz, and they were all clean, why didn't he risk taking them again to give him the advantages over Ruiz? Oh wait, Ruiz was a complete bum right? and again Roy didn't need to take his Roids because he could beat him clean? It's laughable my friend!

Apparently roids would help Roy with his speed, recovery, power and FITNESS? Roy always had huge stamina problems. That was his main downfall for when he got a little older. From the mid 90's onwards he used to back onto the ropes for a breather, so the roids didn't help him there did they? I think you're a joker! Roy loses for the first time in 2004, and as I say, it had nothing to do with the dramatic weight loss of 20 pounds of MUSCLE FIBRES that he BURNT in 8 months, nothing to do with the fact that he was 35 and had 50 fights, it was just down to the fact that he wasn't taking his roids anymore?
Really, I don't know what to say!

Also, all Roy has ever done his whole career, is fight janitors, dinnerladies and lorry drivers etc right? According to you? So why would he need to take Roids then? Toney, great win, but he was on roids so it doesn't count? Hopkins with an injured hand, Tate, Malinga, Hill, Mcallum, all those fights should be Void right? Because after all he was on Roids right? The only legit wins he has is, Woods, Gonzalez, Harding, Ruiz etc? and they were that rubbish he didn't need them anyway? Honestly I need a drink!

Like I said in my other post, if you're not a fan, which obviously you're not, then fine, you've got no sympathy for Roy and you was glad (for some reason?) when he got knocked out by Tarver and Johnson, but the reason he got knocked out, was because of the weight loss at 35, and not because he wasn't on the superman tablets. You've got the proof staring you in the face. You watched the Tarver fight right? Roy was fighting a guy who was a 100 per cent motivated and fit to try and beat a guy who he'd always been jealous of. Roy that night, boxed at around 70 per cent of his capabilities.

He wasn't motivated because for weeks, Murrad Muhammad had been trying to desperately get Roy a Mike Tyson fight. Tyson wanted it, Shelly Finkle wanted it, But they had a contract dispute with Showtime. Roy was fed up and had to go back and fight Tarver. He didn't really want to but he did. Then if you watch the fight, Roy was absolutely spent after the eighth round, because of the weight loss. You saw it right?

He didn't have anything left for the last 4 rounds! Did he miss his roids? He'd burnt his muscle fibres away! Go and do a bit of research. Then after the Tarver knock out he fought Johnson. The doctors after the fight said, he shouldn't have been anywhere near a ring, he was completely dehydrated. Roy lost every one of the nine rounds before he got knocked out by a journeyman. I like Johnson, but Roy was ill. He looked in good shape on the outside physically, but he's lost his reflexes, his speed, his punch resistance etc.

Roy didn't have a glass jaw pre Ruiz. He certainly didn't have a great chin, but he could take a punch. Ruix was 16 and a half stone and according to you had Roy had a glass jaw and wasn't on his roids, so why didn't Ruiz knock him out when he hit him with a good right hand? Oh wait I know, It's because Ruiz was garbage right?

I've just got one question for you and one question only. Do you seriously think that pre Ruiz, if Glencoffe Johnson had have fought Roy in lets say 2002, that he would have scored a ninth round knockout after winning EVERY round against him? Seroiusly! If they'd have fought before Ruiz, or if Roy hadn't have gone up to heavy, Roy would have stood him on his head, and you and everybody that knows anything about Boxing knows this. Look at Johnson's record and his style.

That would have been an easy win for Roy. And if Roy can beat Tarver at 70 per cent when he's got nothing in the tank after eight rounds, what would have happened if Roy had've fought him earlier, when he was motivated and a hundred per cent fit?

So Roy has been Roiding his whole career, until he got caught in 2000? According to you, just you and nobody else. There's no proof, because you THINK he did, it must be right. Roy is one of the greatest fighters that's ever lived. And all these fighters, that you claim are garbage and appalling, look at who they've fought before they've fought Roy, and then have a look who they fought and beat afterwards. As I say, it makes intersting reading.

But you won't do that will you? No you won't, because it wouldn't suit your argument.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Nunn approached Jones about a fight late 96, Jones turned him down.

After Jones beat Griffin he was ordered by the wbc to fight his mandatory which was Nunn. Jones demanded more than 75% of the purse and when he didnt get it he refused to fight Nunn, which was why the WBC stripped him. After Nunn lost to Rocc Jones wanted his belt back, so the WBC stripped Rocc and gave it back to Jones

After Nunn beat Guthrie he was bumped back up to become Jones no 1 mandatory. In fact Nunn was his mando from 99-02. Jones used the elimination bout clause to get rid of him.

There was still a lot of interest in the fight even lduring the late 90's. After the Telesco fight HBO would ask callers to vote for the opponent that they wanted to see Jones face, Nunn came second after Darius M

 

Another Jones fanboy appears, and the worst kind - one who writes endless paragraphs of waffle when a 2 or 3 will do.

 

General, I'm not disputing that Micheal approached Roy. I know he did and I was a fan of his, but by the time he fought Roy he was done. Look at who he fought around that time. He was relevant. Roy had beaten Mcallum, Griffin and Virgil Hill, who had Nunn beaten around that time? He lost to Rochigianni, who was decent but not great. Of course he wanted to fight Roy. Roy was the best fighter on the planet and they respected aech other, and it would have got some exposure.

But Nunn at that point, wasn't the fighter that he was, and Roy had no interest in the fight whatsoever. When Nunn couldnt get the fight, look who he fought afterwards and at what level.

 

*that should have said, by the time he wanted to fight Roy, and he would have got some exposure.*