The all things technical thread.

The problem with S&C work is some fighters IMO hire people who don't understand boxing and what's needed. They plan and do all the things they'd think work for a fighter but they don't.

When a trainer gets it right and caters to the individual fighter and his needs then S&C work has it's place. Same with nutrition i suppose...

I do always wonder how the inclusion of tactics and video footage has effected our sport in a positive and negative. Many fights now come down to plans and small details and it must be mentally tiring with all the information taken on board and having to carry it out in fight.

My last point, do fighters train with enough intensity?. I mean i get impression AM's do more intense sessions due to it being just a two hour slot. I've trained in gym with pro's and they messed about and had to be shouted at to warm up properly. I remember having to do a 2mile run followed by 6x3 skipping then 3x3 shadow and then some bag work and maybe 2x3 pads and bit of sparring and circuit to end session.

 

S&C focuses on general fitness, rather than ''task specific'' fitness.

A person who runs three miles a day will get themselves reasonably fit fairly quickly, but they still won't be a world beater over 100 or 200m.

Despite being built like a tank I was always in the top 3 over those distances at school, yet people who had a lower fitness level than me regularly whipped me over the 1500m.

One obvious issue is that fighters might have a month or two off before going back in the gym, rather than just a week or two. Even if those two ''bonus'' weeks are spent in the pool just doing a bit of light training - or working on a few drills.... it's all money in the bank without working too hard.

 

Nice to see Barry thinks like us...
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Fighters of today are not matched tough and frequently compared to the old school fighters. You had to be tough to be fighting so often otherwise you wouldn't have lasted.
Now, would these fighters have better conditioning if they changed their excessive long slow distance running to intervals etc?

 

Silly question. A better one would be 'why do modern fighters run in intervals if it doesn't help your stamina?'

No reason to question the old timers methods. The proof is in the film, they were better fighters.

 

In Jones and Tyson's peak they didn't. And they still look/perform better than any of these modern types.

 

Mishima is obviously the same guy that has an agenda from here before, Izmat or whatever.

 

I think the real reason the old timers were fitter and more conditioned was because they fought a lot more. and probably sparred a lot more too.

if you were fighting every week in the amateurs that would build your stamina up loads more than just training. then moving to fighting as a pro every couple of weeks or so. this to supplement your training would do wonders.

like 11 a side football. i have done no exercise during the season and been unfit at the start. come end of season I am running hard for 90 mins. you get fit doing your specific sport.

 

Has anybody read this article about Manny Pacquiao's bizaarely huge wrists (seriously!) and the effects of large bones on stamina ? I found the stuff about red blood cells and bone marrow fascinating, and it's something people never mention in regards to fitness levels.

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/3/1...manny-pacquiaos-body-has-tricked-analysts-and

 

Larry Holmes - G. Foreman

Breakdown

 

Interval running is obviously better its just the application.


Sprinting as fast as you can for 3 minutes, with a 1 min rest....or doing 10 second sprints, 10 second walks would all be better than a long 1 hour jog.


The reason reason is probably the old timers actually did it whereas you can just see some modern heavies not bothering. Crap training methods is better than no training I guess.


If Chisora had top level fitness, he could well have beaten Vitali the night they fought, along with a tweak in technical methods aswell.

 

It is better because it replicates the stop-start nature of a contest. But it doesn't make today's fighters any stronger down the stretch.