Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweather, who has a better resume?

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  1. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Pavlik, Pascal, Tarver and Winky Wright arent as good as Toney, Hopkins, McCallum and Hill. Nor is it as good as winning belts in 4 weight classes and dominating without peer for a decade.
     
  2. dubace

    dubace Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you are comparing money to an old hopkins because you're comparing floyd vs. calzaghe to a 43 year old hopkins vs. smart ass. a young hopkins would've counter the **** out him even more than he already did in that fight and with more power.

    floyd beats calzaghe beacuse of timing?! i think calzaghe's one the most overrated fighters ever who's career would be meaningless had hopkins been given the decision. he would've been written off as another european bum. but he could at least adapt and give floyd the same problems castillo did. money and calzaghe possess the styles that could give each other fits, but i would take money on clean punching and doing the real damage.
     
  3. dubace

    dubace Well-Known Member Full Member

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    and steroids and getting KTFO for your own lack of discipline. and Hopkins and Roy had a very good fight. but still, Jones may rank higher, but not by much
     
  4. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Hopkins missed the boat on competing with Roy Jones when he stayed at middleweight cleaning up scrubs fir a decade.

    Hopkins being able to do this at his age is impressive. But come on this is a week as era. Toney, Tarver and Cazaghe were old as **** to and they had success and in the case of Tarver he could probaby be cruiserchamp.

    I mean is it that shocking Hopkins beat Pascal? Same dude who got outboxed by Carl Froch? Just a week era in boxing all around. Marquez is 38, mayweathers 35, pac 33, no coincidence the best fighters are from an era that shouldve ended by now.
     
  5. Rexrapper 1

    Rexrapper 1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No I wasn't. I was saying why Floyd would beat Calzaghe. When the other poster started talking about Hopkins, then I compared the two. I was saying why Floyd would beat Calzaghe without even mentioning Hopkins until the other poster did. The comparison to Hopkins was career wise. "Show me fights where Hopkins has better footwork than these". I thought Hopkins edged it(scoring it recently). Calzaghe would still give Hopkins problems in their primes IMO. I still believe Hopkins would beat him.

    Yes and many other things. Calzaghe likes to come in and he leaves his chin exposed. I think Calzaghe had a pretty good career. He isn't an atg but he is a hall of famer. He was the undisputed champ at 168 and lineal at 175.
     
  6. Dave Sands

    Dave Sands Ebony & Ivory :) Full Member

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    Hopkins.... Plenty of time for Mayweather to excel though.:!:
     
  7. boy-wonder

    boy-wonder Active Member Full Member

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    after reading through all the posts, i must deliberate.

    h2h floyd ranks higher than hopkins in terms of skills, however, I will vote for hopkins on the thread poll because hopkins has more heart than floyd and does not let stupid things like contract negotations and money get into the way of making fights happen. hopkins is the last of dying breed. he is a purist. an although floyd has more skills, in the ring WILL can beat SKILL and that is what makes hopkins special at 46 years old. it's the ultimate intangible.

    CLOSE THREAD PLEASE
     
  8. Arcane

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    How did I know you wouldn't be able to refute anything i've said :lol::lol::patsch no wonder you were leaving one word replies. First you got made a fool for suggesting Floyd beating JMM was better then Hopkins beating Trinidad then your pathetic attempt at comparing resume's was analysed and corrected and the best you could do is 'Johnson lost afterwords' and Sturm vs DLH was a controversial fight' :dead:dead
     
  9. BigReg

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    A couple of things. One, you're now making your decision based on your personal feelings on each fighter, rather than their actual level of competition. Two, Hopkins has been accused of doing the same things for which your criticising Mayweather. Many blame Hopkins for the Jones rematch and the Calzaghe fight not happening earlier than they did. Hopkins demanded a 50/50 split with Roy Jones Jr. for a rematch in 2002 I believe when they were both on top of the p4p lists. This was at a time when Roy was more popular and a bigger draw. And how can you question Mayweather's heart?

    Hopkins has a ton of heart, but we have seen him bail out during a fight because of a shoulder injury. Mayweather ****ed up his shoulder early on in the Castillo fight and fought all 12 rounds. He ****ed up his hand early in the Carlos Hernandez bout, and fought through it. Mayweather almost got his head taken off by Mosley, yet kept coming foward and applying pressure. I'm not sure how you can question a guy like Mayweather's heart. Yes, he can be a pain to negotiate with, but Hopkins is an even bigger pain. In the ring though, Mayweather is all heart, it makes no sense to question that aspect of him.
     
  10. c4pacfan

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    Maywether continues to beat the best? LOL
    More like continues to duck the best.
     
  11. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Including his next fight, his last 8 opponents have been current major title holders. 6 of the 8 have been ranked in the top 3 of his weight class or higher. 3 of the 8 were ranked in the top 10 p4p. How many other fighters have a run like that?
     
  12. Anima

    Anima Kinetic Link Full Member

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    Hopkins easily.
     
  13. sdot

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    hopkins easily, best resume in boxing in decades. Floyds resume is good but its more about titles than fighting the best at any given time, and he has fought so infrequently. Hopkins has one of the best resumes in history, especially considering his losses were almost all disputable at worst. Floyd has never lost, but when has he entered a fight as a big dog like hopkins has done repeatedly in the last 10 years? That is a huge contributing factor to resume as well, is putting the fights into context of the time and expectations of the majority in the boxing world going in.

    If floyd smashes cotto, then fight pac in his absolute next fight and in 2012, depending on pac winning his fight as well, it'll be a lot closer. If floyd beats martinez after that he can retire and this discussion would be a hell of a lot closer.
     
  14. BigReg

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    But this is only the case because Mayweather is a better boxer than Hopkins. I mean Mayweather is 35 years old and walks around at about 150 lbs. Despite this, short of going up to 168 lbs., he wouldn't be a big underdog against anybody. Hopkins is always an underdog due to his performances in the ring. He's had some spotty performances which has caused people to underestimate him. Mayweather, on the other hand, is pretty much flawless every time he steps into the ring. If you look at the quality and depth of their opposition, Mayweather comes out ahead. Ricky Hatton was a better fighter than Kelly Pavlik. However, many would say Pavlik was the better win based pretty much soley on the fact that Mayweather was expected to win, while Hopkins was expected lose. In essence, many are claiming Hopkins is better than Mayweather based on Mayweather being a more talented fighter than Hopkins.
     
  15. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    "Highly debatable" that he lost to Taylor? Dude he lost both fights according to 5 of the 6 judges who scored the fight...1 of the 6 judges had him winning 1 of the fights. There's not a lot to debate, Taylor clearly won the most rounds in both fights, there were no knockdowns or deductions...pretty simple formula.