Dibella - if no Chavez Jr., it'll be Andy Lee or Daniel Geale

I said that he climbed the rankings since he was JMW by fighting top opposition unlike Pirog and Golovkin. He is fighting consistently highly ranked guys since he has become the champ he never fought a guy out-side of the top 10.

I only agree about the Ward situation it should be feasible fight at catch weight for example.

How are Bradley's achievment any better that Sergios??? He has fought effectively at one division where he has a notable win against Peterson and monumental duck of Khan. He had one fight at 147 where he performed so so. Sergio beat p4p rated 4th fighter in Williams, KOed Cintron who latter become top rated fighter at 154 after beating Angulo and beat the lineal champ at 160.

You can make a case about Ward being ahead of him p4p.

 

I don't know for him but I was never high on Jacobs personally and he was very very unproven prospect at MW.

 

On what basis? His legendary performance against Ishe Smith? Jacobs was a mere prospect when Pirog beat him, who most certainly never faced anyone as good as Sturm and whose domestic fights are no more impressive than Barker's tour in Europe.

He also says he's fighting for legacy, something that Pirog would do absolutely zero to enhance given the fact that he's done nothing notable since winning his paper title.

Geale has already turned down two offers to fight Martinez. His actions give no reason to believe he's interested.

No taking those fights would just make it even easier for the WBC to protect Chavez since they would be done with Martinez's mandatory position once and for all. Arum could not give less of a **** about another guy racking up belts in the same division as one of his fighters.
or

LOLOLOL @ Sturm giving a **** about other beltholders in his division. There have been 4 unified champions since he got robbed versus Oscar plus a legitimate German rival in Abraham that he has managed to not be interested. As with Arum and Chavez, Sturm would feel absolutely no pressure for a unification fight.

 

Jacobs was a prospect, you cats act like he was a p4p fighter or something. Pirog beatting him was a good win, but the truth is Pirog was being outclassed in that fight and caught Jacobs and took him out.

Martinez would kill the guy and get a small payday and very little credit for doing so.

Chavez is the best fight for him in terms of money and I think that he is the best available at the weight. Lee is a joke and his name shouldnt even come up. Hell has he beat a top 15 fighter yet?

 

He didn't climb ****, he fought a garbage at 154 Cintron that was his only 154 opponent of note. He fought Paul Williams twice at 160, and then Pavlik who was coming apart due to his alcoholism. That is his comp at 154 and 160. He didn't go through the comp Molina, Kirkland, Lara, hell even Canelo or Angulo went through at 154.

He hasn't fought anyone of note at 160 after Pavlik, except blown up 154 fighters and UK bums.

Like I said if he would atleast fight the level of comp as Chavez at 160 it would be nice to see, but Chavez Jr. has fought better comp at 160 than he has.

The fact is Sergio by luck fought Pavlik at the right time and got the MW title, he has been fighting subpar comp since and only looking to get a big pay day from Manny or Floyd, not cleaning out his division. He has no interest in that.

As for "what has Bradley done" Bradley ****ing cleaned out the top dogs at 140 that is what he did. Ward cleaned his division out as well. They both accomplished more in their weight classes than Sergio did at 154 or 160.

 

atschatsch

 

Sergio isn't fighting for legacy he is fighting for a check. What son of a ***** fights for legacy by trying to boil down to 150 to fight a ****ing WW?

Geale turned down fights with Martinez yet is going to fight Pirog later this year. Bull****. For a while Sergio was lying and saying Pirog turned down a fight with him as well, until Pirog's people called his ass out, now all he says is there is no money in that fight, but how is there no money in the fight when they are offering him a career high payday?

The WBC is going to do what the **** they want anyway. Sergio looks better and has more leverage with the Mexican populace and Chavez team if he has a fan base and can actually bring something huge to the table for them, which he would, the Ring title and 2 other titles if he then wanted to unify with Chavez Jr. Greater negotiation leverage.

The real truth as to way Sergio doesn't want to hold a real title is because he doesn't want to fight mandatories that would pit him against higher rated fighters than the like he has been fighting.

 

Nope never bought into the Jacobs hype. Another Golden Boy fighter with an inflated record whose bubble eventually burst thanks to the stupidity of their matchmakers. He was at best regarded as a future top 10 middleweight, not an actual one the way Macklin was and still is. Also, I believe Martinez was supposed to make over 2 million for this most recent fight based on his new contract with DiBella but I could be wrong.

 

Who are the amazing top dogs that Bradley beat don't make me laugh did he fought Maidana, Khan, Mathys etc? His best wins are Holt that put him down twice and Peterson. Bradley is a very good fight but making the p4p rankings at all is a bit of stretch for me. Lara was absolutely unknown and unrated by the time Sergio moved up and Kirkland and Ortiz were fighting on the next generation type of HBO broadcast fighting over-matched opponents with Angulo who later refused a fight with Sergio. Macklin just beat Sturm and was ranked number two in the division by ring.

edit. For Bradley I forgot Alexender obviously a good win

 

He's apparently made millions outside of boxing. Also since as you so brilliantly put it yesterday, P4P there's no one better than Floyd at 154 or 160, I fail to see the problem with trying to get that fight, especially at a weight more advantageous to his opponent.

Just like Pirog was going to fight Lara and N'Jikam and Smith and Golovkin, etc. The source for Geale turning down that fight by the way is Fat Dan, who of course was one of the first to say that Martinez and DiBella weren't interested in Pirog.

Since when exactly is collecting paper trinkets on untelevised fights outside of one's home base the best way to get new fans, never mind attain leverage? What a cute meritocratic vision of the way boxing works!

 

He'd need to score a ko to win in Russia, I think that could be a factor regarding Pirog.

 

I wasn't that impressed either, but that doesn't mean I think Macklin or Barker were better scalps. Other than the Sturm fight, which fights convinced you these guys are legit in the way Jacobs wasn't? I'm pretty sure Jacobs would have blown thru Belghecham and Varon in much better style, and Sturm probably.

 

:-( You must be mentally challenged if you think sergio would get a W in russia even if he knocks down pirog and wins every ****en round he aint leaving Russia with a W.End of story.

 

Even with multiple knockdowns, the judges would **** Martinez over.

 

Bradley fought Witter(champ), Holt(champ), Devon (champ), Peterson, and Nate.

Ward fought Kessler, Bika, Green, Froch, and Abraham and shut them all out.

Those resumes at 140 and 168 are better than martinez's resume at 154 and 160.

Macklin going life and death with a bum like Sturm isn't a testament to his talent it is an indication of how weak he is.

I doubt it, he could definitely win a decision there depending on the judges, but he didn't want that he prefers to cry about small WWs not fighting him at crazy 150 catchweights.