Holyfield Vs Liston

Liston's jab is the difference in the first quarter of the fight, then his power comes into play and he grinds Evander down late tko win by Liston

 

Yes, I'm aware of his HGH/steroids-induced heart issues, and I've seen all the fights you mention... You also may not have noticed that I made no mention of his loss to Toney, as those type fights leave you little to go on when the fighter in question is that far past it.

You also may have missed that in two posts now, I've picked Holyfield, and I've explained why, and it shares your line of reasoning in part as well...

The stoppage loss to Bowe is important to mention, whether the fantasy opponent (Liston in this case) shares stylistic similarities or not, but its also worth noting that Holyfield was down on several occasions to punchers, and that does concern Liston's cause in our discussion.

I'll save you the rebuttal to that last remark by saying that yes, he did get up and kick the other guy's ass, and yes, Holyfield showed superhuman will and heart on more than one occasion....

 

Yeah i did miss that, but i'm pretty sleep deprived.

Holy showed a vastly superior chin to Liston, would you agree that's obvious...

I'm willing to come back & argue tomorrow, if you disagree.

Profoundly unlike Liston then. :yep

Unless people are willing to forgive his double disgraceful quitjobs against Ali, for surviving the distance with terrifying 180lber Marty Marshall & his 28% KO percentage, with a broken jaw inflicted by the little man.

 

I disagree, but prefer not to "argue"... I would like to hear your case for your strong term "vastly superior"... I'd be interested to hear that.

I'm just saying Holyfield was down on several occasions, but he always got up. He was more durable and iron-willed than he was iron-chinned... Don't get me wrong; he could take some bombs.

On the other hand, Liston in his prime wasn't down (that I know of); he got bombed by Williams in two fights and got a broke jaw against Marshall, as you mentioned, and it doesn't matter how big the guy is you're fighting; if you have a broke jaw, it takes some balls and heart to keep going...

To compare, I'd say Holyfield has a better chance of getting dropped by a puncher than Liston does, and I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Liston on durability, so not much to choose there probably. I'd also say that Holyfield has much more resolve and self-belief, so when it gets gritty, Holyfield excels (or at least does his best- would die trying) while Liston looks for a way out.

I completely disregard the second Ali fight. I believe it was a total fix. The first was questionable overall; what isn't questionable is Liston's lack of resolve when the going got tough. At the same time, I think Liston was further past it than he's credited with.

I'm trying to be objective about this, and it sounds like you're completely writing Liston off as a bum, so this is where we differ. Liston may be overrated, but he's no bum.

 

Hey Kal, what's a more justifiable excuse for a loss. Becoming a 40 year old alcoholic overnight, or having Hepatitis or left ventricle heart problems.

Man Holy gets it rough a lot. His record based on wins alone is right up there with Ali's. It's only the inconsistency and lack of domination that tends to hurt him. Holyfield is definitely vastly superior at stopping guys late in fights. Liston's stamina is better than Foreman's for sure. But Liston never winged a million punches like an idiot to ever gas himself out so badly. His work-rate is certainly something that's far too often overlooked when it comes to H2H matchups IMO.

 

when u replied 2 me or when u made that/those bet/s ?

 

holyfield wins/ he wouldnt be intimidated/ his 20 inch neck would take listons shots/ and holy would win 12 rd dec...NO PROB

 

When I made the bets.

 

The question will be are both of them on the juice or Holyfield only ?

Anyway , I take Holyfield, far more proven against modern B-I-G skilled Hwt champs not beansticks......Liston actually fought ONE talented new generation Hwt...........and quit twice.

 

sure , so u would have been a vMillionaire if u could just stay away from d internet while drunk . how cum u didn't (at least) increase your 75 then ? and how often do u post while "drunk" ?
i take your word 4 it like i do with your predictions

 

ROIDS have been around since teh late 1950s, But i think Spineless Sonny preffered the Brown.

 

If Liston boxes, he wins.

If he brawls, he loses.

 

Holyfield for me. While Liston's jab had more power and authority, Holyfield had a quicker jab and it was more of a boxer's jab. It was better point scorer. I think Holyfield's jab is underrated. He doubled and tripled it up very well.....And while moving laterally too. I think that Holyfield would get the better of things on the outside. However, once they opened up and things got hot, he'd be troubled. Liston would probably hurt Holyfield like Bowe did in the 10th round of their first fight. He's got more than enough power to have Evander's alarm bells ringing. One thing Holyfield has in return....Tremendous recovery powers while under pressure. I think he would weather the storm. Holyfield on points.

 

No but i'd have about 1,500.

Too impatient to bet smart with it. Keep taking the best paying option.

Well weekend's I drink quite a lot. Probably easy to spot because I swear more often. Due to lack of inhibitions.

No point taking any word for a prediction because liston v holy will never happen.