Did Roy Jones start losing at LHW when his competition stepped up?

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  1. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Once again I see your backpeddling :




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    From Your own stupid ass :"Guthrie earned his title shot by taking the IBF to court? You absolute spastic. Guthrie didn't earn ****. He'd beaten 23 stuffs."

    Imperial Response :William Guthrie won a lawsuit requiring him to get a shot at the IBF

    I'd also like to point how you also used this to help your arguement ..






    You sure you want to continue this ? I see your cornerman ready to throw in the towel for your dumb ass :lol:


    I only had to use Cyberzone with regards to Jones Undisputed Light Heavy weight champion ship , a championship which you always denied ..No one ever denied DM ..


    Beaten that ass from pilar to post ..Im sure you think your smart but here is a news flash ........................Your not :good


    :vonnecuntBEATING THAT ASS ALL DAY EVERYDAY
     
  2. AnotherFan

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    Keep going at it. I have made a bet with a mate this thread surpasses 50 pages. Loser pays tickets for Froch-Bute.
     
  3. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    I will make sure you get those tickets !
     
  4. realsoulja

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  5. Joe.Boxer

    Joe.Boxer Chinchecker Full Member

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    You STILL don't even understand what the **** I meant. There was NO back peddling whatsoever you thick *******. Everyone else understands what I meant except you. YOU STUPID ****ING ****!

    DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK ANYONE WILL BELIEVE I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT GUTHRIE BEING GIVEN HIS TITLE SHOT BY THE COURT? You absolute ****ing ******. Keep clowning yourself, you ****ing joke.


    Yes, don't try and quit now you ****ing *****. It's amusing, though cruel, to keep abusing you like this.

    You ****ing MORON. How could Jones being the undisputed champion with his PAPER titles when DM was the division's true champion. Clown.

    Yes, I have effortlessly 'beaten your ass' (cringe worthy ****** yank talk) from pillar to post all day, every day. I'm infinitely smarter and more knowledgeable than you. That's why you're being destroyed.

    I'll be back tomorrow to **** you some more, *****.

    :hi:
     
  6. Imperial1

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    Yes if not you would have never questioned the lawsuit in the 1st place .






    And quit I think its obvious I don't quit and I won't quit beating your ass all day everyday !

    Jones became undisputed light heavyweight champion after he beat McCallum ,Devalle and Johnson .Those belts were in the hands of other boxers ..Had they just been handed to Jones I would have agreed with you ,,But he won them in THE RING !! Something you love to dwel on !

    Everybody in the sport recognized Jones as the undisputed light heavyweight champ he did what previous champs have done before and unified the titles ,It was not Jones fault that the WBA and IBF stripped him he had no control over that !You continue to deny the reign yet the same people you use for reference recognized him as the undisputed champ .Maybe you should start attacking everyone and anyone who actually referred to Jones as that .

    You really think you have all aspects covered :lol: Your lies have been exposed ,im not the only one to know these facts you are just the loudest in denying them !

    If DM really wanted to defend his title he could have postponed or fought it in court the man wasn't stupid and far from poor .

    But your the *** that has every excuse for what really went down .


    And you need to check your definitions, your far from destroying anything ,you are what is called Losing ! This is why 90 % of your responses are more insults ..I got a kid that could debate with you and she's only 4 ..Eventually she will get tired of using big words too..


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  7. Joe.Boxer

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    Well this proves beyond any reasonable doubt that you're too stupid to be even trying to debate with me, and it's not got anything to do with 'questioning' any lawsuit. You couldn't understand an simple sentence, and don't have the balls to admit it. Instead, you're continuing to embarrass yourself with another fake straw man argument because I've schooled you so badly on the original issue.

    You don't quit because you clearly love the attention you're getting by making a complete fool of yourself. You type like an infantile yank ******. The only one getting his 'ass beaten all day everyday' is you.

    No, Jones was nothing more than a paper champion and you know it. He never won DMs WBA/IBF titles against DM IN THE RING. He picked up two PAPER titles against Del Valle & Johnson IN THE RING.

    No, they didn't, and you've been schooled countless times on hwy he wasn't. Stop lying again you clown. How could he be the undisputed champion when DM was the Lineal/WBO, and rightful WBA/IBF champion? That's the obvious question that you'll never be able to answer, ad that's why you had no chance of ever winning this debate. Instead you've just been completely humiliated.

    Yes, I do, which is why you've lost this debate so badly. The only thing exposed is your complete and utter stupidity. The only one lying is you, you window licking cretin, fabricating nonsense like DM ducking Del Valle, claiming DM had 90 days to fight Guthrie, and claiming I didn't even know about the lawsuit. The facts have proven you wrong on every single issue.

    How could he postpone anything? Stop lying again, you pathetic turd. No excuses, you been given irrefutable reasons which have proved you wrong over and over.

    Wrong yet again. I easily won this debate in devastating fashion. Now I'm just slapping you all over the forum, *****. 90% of my posts were part of the debate. The insults were the cherry on top. However, your simple mind can only see 'bad words' and is unable to see the facts and logic which have proved you wrong each time.

    Great, ******s breeding ******s. I truely pity your kid, having to be brought up by a deadbeat vegetable clown like yourself.

    SImperial1 BATTERED AND DESTROYED AGAIN :bbb:vonnecunt
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    :lol::patsch How stupid are you, P4P is nothing to do with being lineal champ at all :oops:
    Im so shocked you dont know the difference.
    Still even more shocking is that you felt Jones was a paper champ
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    Realsoulja post #23
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290280&page=2
    Completely self pwned :lol:
    YOU CALLED JONES A PAPER CHAMP DUMMY. YOU

    A matter of fact Im appalled by your lack of knowledge for someone who claims to be a boxing historian. Though I shouldnt take that thought of yours, of being a Boxing Historian too seriously because as well as that you have also called yourself a Cuckold :oops::lol:, insinuated you are a Bareknuckle boxer, insinuated you dont go on Boxrec, and tried to claim yourself as the most feared poster :lol::patsch, when you cant even write properly.
    I must have worried you as I can see that not for the first time you are going through my profile.
    You duck questions like a ***** and then winge and wine like a women.

    For the record its You're not YOUR
    I doubt you will make that mistake again :hi:
     
  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    A question to SImperial
    What bit do you disagree with?

    Michalczewski was stripped of his WBA LHW title that he won
    Michalczewski had to lose his IBF LHW title also due to being forced to have to defend his title within 30 days when he has just fought the LHW champ
    Michalczewski beat Rocchigiani who was wrongly stripped of his WBC LHW title, a title which was just handed to Jones when he said he wanted it back, even though Rocchigiani fairly won the title after beating a fighter Jones wouldnt fight for years. So here Jones was just handed the WBC title.
    Jones was just handed The Ring belt that he didnt beat the champ for.

    What do you disagree with? Michalczewski beat the man. Jones didnt


    Look below if you need help. Understand now that Im trying to help you as Joe.Boxer has made you look a fool
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    On 13 June 1997, he defeated Virgil Hill over 12 rounds to add Hill's WBA and IBF titles to his own. However, Michalczewski soon lost both titles. The WBA stripped him for displaying its belt along with that of the WBO, an organization it didn't recognize. The IBF did so a few weeks later, when Michalczewski was unable to defend his title against mandatory challenger William Guthrie within 30 days.


    Disputed undisputed championsIf a fighter wins all the titles but is stripped by one organization of its title, he may continue to be considered the undisputed champion.
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    Hill/Michalczewski happend on 13th of June 97

    - The fight was originally planned for April 5, but was postponed first to April 19 ("to get an appropriate site" according to IBF president Robert W. Lee), then moved again to June 13.
    - On March 7, 1997, a federal judge Dickinson R. Debevoise of U.S. District Court at Newark, N.M., ruled that the IBF must give its leading light heavyweight contender a title shot by July 19 or face a fine because it harmed the fighter by breaking its own rules. Under the ruling, No. 1 contender
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    had to fight the winner of the April 19 match between IBF champion Virgil Hill and WBO champion Dariusz Michalczewski within 90 days of the bout.
    - On May 10, 1997, words of IBF president Robert Lee were reported in the press, that the IBF stripped Hill of his title because "we had to follow the order of the court," which had ordered that Guthrie must get an IBF title fight by July 19. (Sources: The Washington Times, May 10, 1997; The Washington Post, May 10, 1997; St. Petersburg Times, May 10, 1997; Houston Chronicle, May 11, 1997; Denver Rocky Mountain News, May 11, 1997; Los Angeles Daily News, May 12, 1997)
    - After the fight it was reported that Michalczewski's promoter
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    said: "Guthrie is Don King's man and we don't want to do any business with him." Kohl has said he is hoping an arrangement on juggling title defences can be worked out with the WBO and WBA. (Sources: Glasgow Sunday Mail, June 15, 1997; The People, June 15, 1997)
    - Thus, the IBF title was declared vacant.
    - Immediately after this fight, Michalczewski also was stripped by the WBA for holding the WBO belt together with the WBA belt. (Cyber Boxing Zone)
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    - In his previous bout in March 21, 1998, Rocchigiani had won the vacant WBC Light Heavyweight Title. However, shortly after that fight the WBC illegally down-graded Rocchigiani's classification to that of an 'interim' champion, and then stripped him outright. Rocchigiani sued the WBC and was awarded $31 million in damages. Also as a result of this lawsuit, a United States District Judge retroactively restored Rocchigiani’s official WBC Light Heavyweight championship status in April 2003, but only from 03-28-1998 up until the date of this bout.
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    Where it says this bout at the end of the paragraph, that was when Rocchigiani fought Michalczewski, So even there, there could be a bigger argumant for Dariusz winning the WBC title, not that we need to go over this anymore.
     
  10. Imperial1

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    Good morning my byatch ! See this is the biggest flaw in your arguement ,how could he be a paper champ when he beat Johnosn for the IBF after he beat Guthrie DM's mando and defended it twice :huh

    And Devalle beat Smulders for the WBA ..Both belts were in the hands of other boxers ..Maybe you should petition the WBA and IBF to have the records erased ..Do you know how stupid you sound calling Jones a paper champ when he beat the previous belt holders :patsch Common sense is something you lack greatly and its clear as day for the world to see!




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  11. Whipdatass

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    Shut the **** up and mind your ****ing business. Stupid mother****er, nobody is talking to you. ****ing googling ass mofo.
     
  12. Imperial1

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    Failey I will entertain you for this breif moment in time ,No one is questioning DM's lineal title ..Maybe before you jump on another guys dick you should read all the posts !

    What Im pointing out is that Jones was the undisputed lt heavy weight champ and Dm's was not just stripped for holding the WBO along side the WBA ..There were other factors involved . Know what the **** your talking about before you add your 2 cents ..You also have a quote from DM's promoter "After the fight it was reported that Michalczewski's promoter
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    said: "Guthrie is Don King's man and we don't want to do any business with him."


    Thus furthering my point ..The promoters would have said anything to protect their fighter but Im going to beleive he was just stripped for holding 2 titles together when his own promoter makes a statement like that ? Yeah what ever ..Now back out of the conversation young man !

    You just made your boy look like a fool even more ..Thanks for the assitance :lol:
     
  13. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Imperial has to be the dumbest poster in ESB history.

    To become the lineal champ you either have to beat the champ or if the title is vacant, the numbers 1 & 2 have to meet, sometimes the #1 & 3 are accepted. Of course this is a Ring magazine system.

    Maske and Hill fought to decide who became the champ (Hill). Michalczewski beat the winner (Hill), so Dariusz was the lineal champ.
    Jones only picked up the paper titles.
    Now when I say paper titles its like J C Chavez Jnr is a world champ, but hes not the man at MW, thats Martinez who was stripped of his WBC title.
    Does that help you understand??
     
  14. Imperial1

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    :lol: Your welcome I know you looked at my previous response with regards to lineal history ..Who are you fooling with this ..Get the **** out of here moron !
     
  15. Whipdatass

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    You're talking about someone who can't write properly. Mother****er said, "A matter of fact, and I must have worried you as I can see that not for the first time you are going through my profile". Stupid mother****er, lmao.