Hagler v Leonard Thoughts?

That should've never been...

 

People actually score round 12 to leonard. Incredulous! 400m final eh!

 

I agree, a welterweight who retires with eye problems has no right returning after a 5 years absence to beat the reigning middleweight champion of the world and certainly not one of marvin's quality.

 

A former Welterweight who stakes the deck in his favor (ring, gloves, round) and the added trump card of sentiment and flurring at the end of rounds.. only agrees to fight a fading Hagler under the above conditions and STILL losses a close fight. You're right, most of the above shouldn't have happened, including the decision.

 

Is the 5 year retirement and jump up in 2 weight classes part of the deck stacking

Maybe you scored it for hagler but I scored it for leonard therefore I absolutely believe it's one of the greatest victories in boxing history.

 

I dont see how this could be compared with the greatest wins in ths sports history: Ali-Foreman, Douglas Tyson, Tarver Jones. For one thing, Hagler looked very much over the hill. And why was he missing Leonard on purpose when he had him on the ropes? Something about that fight seems very fishy from the timing of the event to the fight itself. It just didnt have the feel of a real fight

 

What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas...


Shame on the Petronelli's for agreeing to that...

 

No debate...........And I'm not a Leonard fan.

 

This.:deal

 

This fight was a great event. It was an exciting time. I hated Leonard. Now compared to what we have in the current sport I miss the guy. He was a superstar but he did take chances. He was a competitor and he wanted to be great not just rich.

He was smart about it though. If he could get an advantage at the negotiating table he did.

Hagler wanted Leonard very badly. He wanted him too much. He let Ray get into his head. Leonard set the terms for this fight. The distance, the gloves, size of the ring.

Then on top of it Marvin comes out to prove he could box with Ray in a conventional stance. He lost the first two rds but more importantly he gave Ray Leonard a chance to get warm and get his rythem.

I argued about this decision for a few years. It pains me to say it but Leonard won. He was terrific.

 

that's not how I remember it. Hagler was saying through the media that he was getitng ready to retire, said nothing about Leonard.

If Leonard wanted to take chances and be great, wouldnt he have just gone after him after his first comeback ?

 

And despite the layoff, it's not as if Leonard wasn't somewhat battle-hardened, given those behind closed doors fights he engaged in.

If only the Hagler camp hadn't rejected the British judge Gibbs.

 

He had a detached Retina. Its easy to dismiss that when its somebody else. He had $$ he had family and friends urging him to retire at his peak. The guy probably had mixed emotions. Then he got into drugs for a while.

Bottem line is that he took him on when few thought he had a prayer to win.

Not a Leonard fan by any means but I was more or less comparing him to some of the current fighters as far as taking chances.

 

He probably was ready to retire. He didnt know what Leonard was gonna do because he had been teased before by Ray in`84. He always wanted a shot at Leonard because of the $ and because Ray was a nemisis who he felt had an easy road compared to him.

If he didnt want Ray so bad why would he make so many concessions when he was the Champion?

 

I still dont understand why, if Ray was such a risktaker like you said, didnt he just go after Marvin then? I think waiting for Hagler to get to the point where physically he had to retire, says otherwise, that he was taking the path of least resistance

In fact, all the concessions Ray was asking for confirms it

Hagler only took the fight because he couldnt turn down the money (would YOU?)

But no, I don't believe marvin was really interested in Leonard just for the sake of proving himself. Hagler had already beaten the bigger game