Froch says he has a better legacy then cazaghe

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If you used knouckout artists logic then you could just as easily say that Froch KO'd Taylor, who beat Hopkins (twice) more convisingly that Calzaghe did, so therefore Froch is better than both Calzaghe and Hopkins.

But as anyone with half a brain knows, boxing doesn't work like that.

For the record, Calzaghe would UD Froch, but it would be competitive and Froch would have his moments, especially with his right hand.

 

He has fought better fighters than Calzaghe and is continuing to fight better opposition than Calzaghe ever did.

Calzaghe's claim to fame is Lacy, Kessler and 44 year old Hopkins. If you call that a legacy then you're a fool. All his title defenses prior to the Lacy fight were against bums.

 

yes, Kessler is the only one defence against a prime very good opponent. Lacy was **** beyond belief and even the Klitschos dont count opponents over 40, even though Bhop is still pretty good. even running at 50% as he is in his forties.

But Veit and Mitchell were good opponents too, though certainly not great at all. Veit was not far off being at Kessler level at one point.

But yeah no in form HOFers let alone ATGs, terrible for a 10 year championship career. BUt you have to remember that had Calzaghe done that, he wouldnt be unbeaten anymore. Horsesfor courses.




But Froch is like going from HOFer to champ to HOFer to champ, which is another league.

 

One of them 'bums' beat Glen Johnson.

Hopkins was actually 43. At 46 he whooped Pascal. Age is nothing; if you're the best you're the best. Hopkins was and still is the best.

Why is it okay for everyone else to fight Hopkins but Calzaghe?

 

If he wanted to dominate the division his first goal should have been unification. That only happened when Lacy and Kessler forced to make the fight happen.

 

Robin Reid, Woodhall and Brewer were all top ten fighters.

So Froch has beaten ATGs has he?

 

yes, Calzage never dominated, i agree, he was a bit title holder, and when he did finally unify, he made a sharp exit straight away.

 

Beating Glen Johnson isn't exactly an ATG achievement unless you're that desperate to bring this up. Even then Johnson had a lot of robberies early in his career.

Hopkins was 43, almost a year inactive coming off a tough fight against Winky Wright(who was moving up). It is a good win but nothing worth bragging about unless his record is terrible. No one sane would brag about beating a 43 year old. There's a reason Calzaghe finally decided to go to America when everyone was past it.

 

I'd agree with Robin Reid and Woodhall being top ten, but I was talking about defining material. Kessler is only guy who could possibly be perceived as a legit number 2 during Cals' reign at SMW.

perhaps you have a point with Woodhall, he was pretty good at one point before Calzaghe fought him.

 

Artur Grigorian's WBO reign wasn't much different than Calzaghe's. Now I'm not saying that Grigorian is better than Calzaghe, he's not, I'm just pointing out that a long run of defences of a alphabet strap doesn't always mean all that much.

 

Crap.

Ottke held belts hostage. Funny how as soon as Sven Ottke retired Joe had unification fights.

 

Reid, Woodhall and Brewer must be ATGs then?

Froch did what Calzaghe would never do. He flew all over, took risks and still continues to take risks. The man WANTS to be great. Calzaghe never cared as he padded that record fighting bartenders like Pudwell.

 

THIS.


you cant deny this truth, Cal just wanted 21 defences and unbeaten, and he knew the division was still emerging and safe as long as he held one belt, so he fought guys like Pudwell to get it.

If Froch had done that, he'd have an unbetean record and be halfway to twenty defences already.

 

I'm not desperate to bring it up. It was a tongue-in-cheek reference to one of Froch's wins.

How does Joe fighting a guy who has just beaten Johnson show cowardice. Sheika was meant to be the hot kid so Calzaghe fought him.

Even Hopkins loses to Dawson I think he has more than proved himself since the Calzaghe fight.

 

Everyone knows that Tocker Pudwill was a late replacement for Thomas Tate. Tate was a legitimate choice.