Of the fighters who have won four or more titles

Roy Jones was the top dog and everyone knew it. But he didn't fight the rightful champ because of boxing politics and reluctance on two sides. Best fighter, yes. True champ, no.

 

Then you should explain Wilson, Cochrane, and Servo, to begin with.

 

At least you have a framework, unlike that fool beneath you with the tough-talking posts that say absolutely nothing.

 

(This fool.)

 

What's this--? Did that fool Pachilles make you feel brave?

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I've far too much respect to trade insults.

We might disagree on the ethos as a champion but disagreements on this level are a good way off keeping on my toes and seeing if anything in particular can be justified by myself.

As for cochrane, bah. Armstrong blatantly ducked cocoa who beat fellow top contender williams in january. Up until october armstrong was a paper champion based on his insistance on fighting lightweights (great for his legacy but not his status as champion). However cocoa's claim as champion (coloured championship was a valid claim imo) was completely undermined when zivic beat henry. So zivic was a true champion in every sense of the word but he then lost a fight a pound or so above the limit to, kaplan I think from top of my head. He then lost to the great lightweight bob montgomery. Montgomery is a claim I'm unsure about though as it was quite light (143.5) shortly after that Robinson stopped Zivic to undelrine his status as the best WW in the world robinson ruled the division from 42 and anyone with a belt not named sugar during this time was just a paper champ.

I'll refine that as I go through and scrutinise my choices but for now it's how I see it.

Whenever a guy with a championship claim isn't the best fighter in the world they're basically a paper champion because whilst on paper they have a valid claim, in reality there's little use being a champion if you aint the best.

That's not me confusing the issue by the way, it's my own viewpoint on when a champion's status is worth something or not.

 

You're the fool.........Mostly everyone who's posted within this thread see it, apart from you, of course.:good

 

Thanks Rob, knew you'd have my back, bro. Thanks man.

 

well since then the WBO has been recognized, almost as much as the other organizations, or rather the other organizations have become so much of a joke they legitimized the WBO.

 

getting back to the thread title, hearns probably has the most impressive wins of five division titlests. i can't think of any real competition to be honest

 

Unfortunately, I have a way of coming off a little short out here sometimes. I mean no offense, with a few exceptions. The fact is, by starting fights out here about belts and titles and such, I can invite shots and test my model. You've been the best test. I strongly disagree with you sometimes but you've forced me to the ropes more than once -including on this thread.

 

And now for a cartoon break:

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...That sounds right.

 

Love this thread and appreciate everyone for being in this insightful one. Yes being a multi-titlist is overrated opposed to beating "the man" but op just means to say Hearns went about it the right way beating solid opposition.


True CHAMPIONS are made by beating elite-level competition, not by having a belt around their waist and sanctioning bodies need to realize that and stop being greedy but unfortunately that won't happen.


I want one champ as much as the next purist but that ain't happening so in the meantime it's not such a challenging feat to ask fighters to test themselves which fighters like Tommy did which makes him a great fighter/ATG.

 

I never assume you set out to offend me anyways :good

I see merit in your model, don't get me wrong. I think it is too strict and whilst the concept of lineage is pure, it can and has led to questionable men sitting on your throne.

The forum wouldn't be much use if there were no debates to be had.

One of these days, when i've got you on the ropes, hopefully a shot will land and the only way you'll beat the count is by seeing the wisdom of my point of view

Serrano over arguello, really? robinson v bell to fill your vacancy? Holmes vs a retired and shot ali to fill another vacancy?

One of these days that 3 punch combo will wear you down!