Real talk from Dan Rafael on Kirkland vs. Molina

No disrespect but your recollection is a little off, see video below.

 

thats the way i see it. if you dont want to be disqualified, dont do something that can lead you to be disqualified.

its that simple.

 

This exact same scenario has happened in the past? Which fight?

How am I acting irrational? Yes, the rules were violated slightly. But all I'm saying, is that it would have been more logical to let it go by considering how much was at stake. I mean, he was after all letting all of that hugging/holding go on without any punishment. Something far worse than than a cornerman stepping into the ring when he thought the round was over after hearing the bell.

 

Ok. Would it be more correct to say 'the action was over'. As in, the cornerman wasn't interferring with the fighting. All he did was make the ref pause a couple of more seconds while he was counting.

And yes, I agree. Just like there's noone here that can say, unequivocally, Kirkland was going to knock him out.

 

I have no problem with this, I don't necessarily advocate that he SHOULD have been DQ'd, but I'm not going to sit and act like it's the worst call I've ever seen or some kind of robbery. I think the ref was horrid the entire fight, and outside of the final call, was far worse on Kirkland than Molina. In the 10th Molina blatantly hit Kirkland with a cheap shot on the break with no warning, aside from all the constant fouls committed during the fight.

 

I don't disagree with this, and I didn't mean you personally are being irrational, that was more generally speaking.

 

It was a stupid ending, and he was an extremely shitty ref for not warning Molina at least once for holding. All the holding and dirty tactics of Molina are what really ruined the fight, not the stoppage IMO. I was outraged about the stoppage at first, but now I see why they did it, and it's really not as outrageous as people are making it seem...

The knockdown WAS legit, and Molina was hurt. The count was at 5, and the cornerman stepped into the ring -- effectively buying his fighter no less than 4 whole seconds when the count should have been continuing. Nobody except the ref saw Molina's eyes face to face, so he could have appeared hurt, in which case those 4 seconds that the count was delayed could have seemed crucial to the ref at the time -- especially since the ref didn't have a timer in front of his face to see exactly how much time was wasted by the cornerman stepping in. The time that the cornerman stepped in could have very well been the difference between a KO and Molina beating the count, in the ref's eyes, without the benefit of instant replay.

Also, the rules clearly state you can be DQed for that, and it has been done before.

Yeah it sucks that we didn't see the conclusion when the fight was just getting good, but nothing to get mad at the ref over for doing his job and working within the rules. I'm more pissed about things the ref didn't do, like make Kirkland go to a neutral corner, and not warn Molina for holding every second of the fight, and allowing him to blatantly hit on the break.

 

**** off...You don't know **** about boxing, get back to the ****ing lounge...Your man crush for Kirkland is pathetic.

 

Wrong the referees hands aren't tied at all

 

His hands were not tied... that's for sure. It was a DQ-able offense, and there was a precedent set to do that exact thing, but ultimately it was up to him.

I do feel that he thought the corner man entering the ring disrupted the count significantly (which is true), but was it enough to warrant DQing him considering the round was over after the count and Molina was on his feet and looked very much ready and able to continue? That is the question.

I don't think he shoulda done it, but I can see why he would.

 

All I know is that ghetto thug got exposed by a featherfisted Mexican boxer.....Molina straight up dominated him

 

Everything he says is true here.

 

So should/could this be changed to NC?

 

The ref robbed everyone in this fight:

He robbed Molina of the chance to gut out the next two rounds and pull off a MD (wasn't getting a UD with Van Hoye on deck).

He robbed Kirkland of the chance to build on his momentum and make for a stunning come-from-behind stoppage.

Finally, he robbed the paying fans of a satisfying conclusion to the bout, one way or another.

Stupid, STUPID ****ing DQ.