Froch says he has a better legacy then cazaghe

Another history lesson for you son.

Hearns KO2 Duran

Duran then goes on and "stepped up" against Marvin Hagler.

Hagler UD12 Duran.

Hagler was a step up from Hearns, for Duran. But Duran did alot better vs Hagler than he did vs Hearns.

Pure Pwnage is what that is called son.

you know what happened.

I schooled you on the fact, Styles make fights, and you got schooled but since you had Calzaghe's balls dingling on ur chin you refused to accept defeat.
So

maybe you misunderstood my point so I will say it in a different way for you to comprehend.

How can you say Calzaghe would shut Froch out when Calzaghe wasnt able to shut out:-

- Kabery Salem

We dont need to get into styles when it comes to Kabery Salem, because anyone knows Kabery Salem aint world level.

Froch, Calzaghe and Ward are all top level fighters so we go into stylistic match ups.

 

Another point I disagree with you KO specialist

4. Froch got outclassed when he stepped up against Ward. He would get outclassed if he stepped up against Calzaghe.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12424150&postcount=106

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Pacqiuao robs Marquez. Marquez does alot better in this fight.
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That is what you call schooling. :deal

 

Astronomically huge posts and bailey isn't in here?!??


I must say, realsoulja's laying down the law. Knockout artist had a poor choice of words in his first couple of posts in this thread. :conf

 

The problem with your posts realsoulja, is that you're not consistent at all in what you're saying, and you're continually choosing to ignore the points I've made.

In no way did I state that Ward and Calzaghe are similar in styles, the wording may not have been the best in my original post, however I explained it clearly time and time again after.

I stated I believe Calzaghe to be significantly better than Froch.

You seem so desperate to hand out one of these 'schoolings' that you've been making up a list of responses to points that were never made.

Next point, Duran fought Hearns after he fought Hagler!
-So much for that history lesson...

You stated that styles make fights, then compare Froch to Hopkins, RJJ, Salem and Mitchell, you ****ed up there, I admitted that my original post wasn't the clearest, now you have to admit you've ****ed up there.

You clearly haven't followed what I said before, for example when Mayweather fought Marquez, Mayweather didn't win all 36 minutes of the fight, but it would be a stretch to claim Marquez 'had his moments', you don't seem to be following this.

Froch's style is a great foil for Calzaghe, who would win a pretty clear decision, like 118-110, that's my opinion, if you don't share it fine, it's ok to disagree, you don't need to write these essays whinging about it because you dislike Calzaghe.

It's frustrating that you haven't grasped my Mayweather-Hatton point. I'm stating that there are times when people think two styles will match up well, and they don't, this was an example. Before the fight, many thought Hatton's style would give Mayweather fits, after it was clear that Hatton's style suited Floyd. It's similar for you here, where you think Froch matches up well against Calzaghe, when I disagree, and think Calzaghe would have an easy nights work. It's ok to disagree

Furthermore, stop repeating this

Then going on and comparing Froch having success, to Hopkins, RJJ, Bika and Robin Reid, is that not what you moaned about when I made a similar point with Ward and Calzaghe

That is what you call schooling :deal

Now I've explained myself, you've explained yourself, this is where we agree to disagree.

 

Froch and Calzaghe are the direct opposites of each other, so it just depends what you prefer with regard to who you think has the better legacy.



Calzaghe: the ultimate career-strategist. He carefully weighed up risk vs reward for every single decision he ever made, cherrypicked and ducked the vast majority of his career, gave his fans 9 years of shockingly bad WBOgus opposition, ended his career with a couple of good opponents and the ATG disgraceful cherrypick of a shot-to-smithereens Roy Jones when Pavlik, Froch and a Hopkins rematch were all right there for him.

Froch: the ultimate warrior. Since he won a world title against a guy who moved up to lhw and took the title from a top 10 p4p ranked fighter, has exclusively fought the best fighters in the world in his weight class. In only his 1st defence, went to USA. Has since went to fight world champions in Denmark and the USA. Arguably on the most difficult run of opponents of ANY fighter in boxing.



The two guys are night and day when it comes to warrior mentality, and I sure as hell know which guy I respect more. :deal

 

froch hasn't done ****. in 10 years people will look back & go...wait; his best wins were pascal & abraham? wtf is this **** about his amazing resume?

calzaghe won every belt in his division & ended his time there as the undisputed best at the weight. calzaghe was a 2 weight world champion who faced the recognised "man" in the division in his first fight at 175...& won. 4 years later the guy he beat is still recognised as the best at 175.

froch won a vacant title twice.

no contest.

 

even though its generally accepted except by the Bailey clan that froch fights consistently better opponents than cal in his champyears, youhave to give the edge to prime Cal over prime Froch. I am pretty sure thats an almost universal view.

prime Calzaghe UD young Froch in Wales, and close SD elsewhere.

However, not so prime Calzaghe at 36+ would have been the best chance for Froch, he might well have taken him then, in fact I'd give him the edge, old Cal wouldtn be able to outlast Froch when he was prime. Probably why he ran to LH, I think he knew he was weakening, particualry his chin was suspect now to fortysomethings, so there the odds of Froch knocking him out by then were in Froch's favour. Froch wouldnt let 37 year old Cal get up from the knockdowns that old Bhop and shot Roy floored him with. He would destroy him.

prime Froch KO 37 year old Calzaghe (in Wales, or anywhere else for that matter).

 

always read the posts above before you reply., it would save you from a bout of Tourettes that makes you look bad.

cheers.

credit to Calzaghe for wearing the black and white that night though, the one good thing he did for that fight.

 

he was bargaining for more money.

Calzaghe was a minor in 2002, no way was even near a career high payday, but he was on the road up. Trouble is, you must know this, but you still wrote what you wrote. Odd.

 

yeh b-hop can't stand those career high paydays, he chose to fight the world renowned morrade hakkar for a quarter of the payday joes camp offered instead.

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the only person who looks bad is you displaying continual ignorance.

 

Knockout Artist, so what you saying is, you basically a ***** who dont know **** about baaxing, and now you are back peddling because I handed you a brutal 4 round KO, by dismantling your 4 ignorant points.

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This was your opinion.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12420998&postcount=35

But after I landed some heavy blows on your shaky chin for claiming this, you got put on ***** street and now go against your own statement, by admitting Froch will have his moments.

You was humbly bought back to reality.:deal

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This was your reasoning behind your prediction that Froch wont have his moments in a 12 round fight vs Calzaghe (Which you have now retracted after being schooled).

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12420713&postcount=27

Here you based your prediction of Froch vs Calzaghe (Hypothetical) on Ward UD12 Froch.

Then you try to hide your way out of this blatant bull**** by saying you aint comparing a Froch vs Calzaghe fight to Ward UD12 Froch.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12424150&postcount=106

You said, Froch struggled with Ward, so would struggled with constant relentless attack of Calzaghe. You are the one who was comparing the styles of Calzaghe (Constant relentless attack) with Ward.
When has Ward ever used constant relentless attack like Calzaghe atsch

So I questioned this, because this logic you displayed here goes against a basic rule:-

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And I went on to explain, stylistically why Froch would have a better chance Vs Calzaghe than he would vs Ward. Hence proving my point (That you have now accepted) that Froch will have his moments:-

1. Ward doesnt fight midrange, Froch fights mid range and Calzaghe fights mid range. So Calzaghe vs Froch would be at midrange, hence:-
- Froch will have more room to throw punches vs Calzaghe, since Ward didnt give Froch any room.

So you basing your prediction of Calzaghe vs Froch on Ward UD12 Froch, was baseless and flawed.

2. Between southpaw and orthadox fighters, if they get into a mid range exchange Froch has a chance to land lead right hands, hence would have his moments.
- While you said Froch hasnt beaten a top southpaw therefore wont have his moments vs Calzaghe.
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After explaining that stylistically Froch will have his moments vs Calzaghe, (That you now have accepted through defeat) you claimed that you wasnt talking about a stylistic match up. atsch (Despite comparing Froch's

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http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12421986&postcount=83

You must be extremely dumb to make a hypothetical match up between any two fighters,

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atsch how else do you make a predicition between two world class fighters?

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Since you didnt want to take styles into the equation, I had to use logic about why Froch will have his moments vs Calzaghe.

- Mikkell Kessler had his moments vs Calzaghe
- Robin Reid had his moments vs Calzaghe
- Shot RJJ had his moments vs Calzaghe
- 42 year old BHop beat Calzaghe and got robbed
- Byron Mitchell had his moments vs Calzaghe
- Kabery Salem had his moments vs Calzaghe
- Sakio Bika had his moments vs Calzaghe
- Charles Brewer had his moments vs Calzaghe

If so many fighters can have their moments with Calzaghe, fighters like:-

- Kabery Salem

Can have their moments vs Calzaghe, then logically Froch will have his moments vs Calzaghe.

When making hypothetical match up, we have to take into consideration Styles and logic.

Stylistically Froch will have his moments :deal
Logically Froch will have his moments :deal

You got owned.
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But you then said you aint using logic, nor as you using styes to prove your point which was:-

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12420998&postcount=35

You said Froch wont have his moments because Calzaghe is a different class.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12424150&postcount=106

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Hearns KO2 Duran
Duran then goes and

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against Hagler.
Hagler UD15 Duran. Duran does alot better in this fight.
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Barrer UD Morales
Morales then goes and

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against Pacqiuao
Morales UD12 Pacqiauo. Morales does alot better in this fight.
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Mayweather UD12 Marquez
Marquez then

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to similar class Pacqiuao
Pacqiuao robs Marquez. Marquez does alot better in this fight.
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Bowe KO8 Evander Holyfield
Holyfield then

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in class against Tyson
Holyfield KO Tyson. Holyfield does alot better in this fight.
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Mayorga UD12 Forrest
Forrest

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in Class against Mosley
Forrest UD12 Mosley. Forrest does alot better in this fight.
Mayorga

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in class agaisnt Mosley
Mosley KO12 Mayorga. Mosley does alot better in this fight.
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That is what you call schooling. :deal
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Either way you got taken to school on this topic. And was forced to retract your statement:-

Froch wont have his moments vs Calzaghe.

I used styles and logic to prove, Froch will most likely have his moments, and by you accepting now that Froch will have his moments vs Calzaghe, you also accept:-

- Stylistically Froch will have more moments vs Calzaghe than against Ward
- Logically Froch will have more moments vs Calzaghe than Kabery Salem did

Just accept your defeat:deal

 

Has Froch actually beat anybody who's worth a damn?

:huh

 

ironic that you should use the words 'displaying continued ignorance', given that I had referred you to a previous post where I had already admitted I was wrong about that one issue that you now keep raising continually again, and again, and again...

 

This is just the wrong information for your argument. Hopkins did desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, because he did, and wanted to fight him twice. Joe didnt want a rematch, although thats a seperate argument.