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kirk · Mar 25, 2012

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kirk · Mar 25, 2012

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- DavidB beats Lufcrazy and wins
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kirk · Mar 25, 2012

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kirk · Mar 25, 2012

*Malden, I got your PM, sorry I didnt respond sooner man but I didnt get back till today, I will get back to you on that :good

kirk · Mar 25, 2012

DemolitionDan said: ↑

Roberto Garcia vs. Antwone Smith- Antwone Smith by UD
Leonard Bundu vs. Antonio Moscatiello- Leonard Bundu by UD
Takalani Ndlovu vs. Jeffrey Mathebula- Takalani Ndlovu by UD
Jan Zaveck vs. Bethuel Uushona- Jan Zaveck by UD
Mariusz Wach vs. Tye Fields Mariusz Wach by KO
Hernan Marquez vs. Rodel Mayol- Hernan Marquez by KO
Zab Judah vs. Vernon Paris Zab Judah by KO
Siarhei Liakhovich vs. Bryant Jennings Bryant Jennings by SD
Erik Morales vs. Danny Garcia- Danny Garcia by UD
Carlos Molina vs. James Kirkland- Carlos Molina by KO

Now, this is a really, really good week in boxing. A lot of good boxing on tap. All kinds of boxing all around the world and in the States, two big cards. One on HBO and one on NBC Sports Network. There are a lot so I won't get to all the fights on the list, just the big ones that everybody cares about.

FNF has been a major, major disappointment. Last week it was a good match up on paper, unfortunately, it just didn't pan out. That happens and you can't blame FNF for that, but pretty much everything else has been just, eh. This week is no different. Both are really just average fighters, you know, so it's not that great of a match up. Just a C level match up if you will and the result will probably be C level as well. Roberto Garcia well, he's just there. Antwone Smith is a little clever, he's got a little slickness, a little shoulder roll, he was on the wrong end of a horribly wide decision in favor of Kermit Cintron. It was a close fight, but it was just very, very wide. That set him back, he should win this fight. He should be the favorite, he should win clearly, and I'll say he does. He wins via UD. He comes forward, lets those hands go, has a little James Toney-esque type defense and wins.

Bethal Uushona is one of my favorite very, very under the radar fighters in boxing. Uushona is a very awkard, yet, effective outside boxer. Uushona has that weird, you-yo type rhythm where he just scores time and times again. Jab, straight right, jab, etc. He is a very tricky fighter, unfortunately he's from Africa. He's an African fighter with no backing, no following, and in these big fights he will always get the short end of the stick. As was the case in his first big fight against the UK's undefeated prospect Denton Vessel. It was a close, I scored it for Uushona, but the judges had it very wide in favor of Vessell. That's sort of how it goes in boxing, unfortunately. Not that it was a robbery, but Uushona really boxed Vessell landed at a good 2 to 1 rate. The way to deal with is with power and just knocking the guy out. Unfortunately, Uushona doesn't have power, because of that yo-yo type back and forth type style. He doesn't get a lot of power in his shots. Now, Jan Zaveck he can relate as well. He doesn't have power and if his fight would have gone 12 rounds, he would have gotten the short end of the stick as well. Again, that's just boxing. Zaveck is a real pro. Comes forward, good boxing ability and is an overall solid fighter. He doesn't do anything that will wow you, but he is just a pro. He comes to fight, and just looks to win and gives an honest effort. So, Zaveck-Uushona, this is probably my favorite fight of the day. I really do like both fighters. I'm picking Zaveck, I think it will be a close fight, but Zaveck is in his backyard, and Uushona won't KO Zaveck. So, pretty much Zaveck will win unless something just massive happens. Should be an entertaining and intriguing fight nonetheless.

Zab Judah, Judah, Judah, Judah. How many lives has he had, now? He always does just enough to get another big title shot, but always comes up short. This is one of those fights that Judah will win, but lose later this year if he gets a title shot. Sooner or later, though, him winning these type of fights will stop. Will it be this Saturday? It could be. Vernon Paris is a pretty decent fighter. He's got that Midwest, slick, style. He's got good speed, decent power, and he has shown a couple of times that he can dig deep and get the job down. He is vulnerable though. Even with all that slick stuff he does, that philly shell and what not. He is there to be hit, and Zab Judah should have opportunities to get his shots in. Plus, When Paris throws that right hand, he sort of gets off balance. He'll reach and get off balance and that will lead to opportunities as well. Plus, style wise, I just don't think Paris is long enough to give Judah problems from the outside, meaning he'll have to come in and leave himself. Judah is slick and throws maybe about 10 power punches a round looking for his opportunity to land that big left hand. Either the straight right or the left uppercut. Also, as well, we mentioned Paris does that philly shell, he's an orthodox fighter. Judah is a lefty. If Paris is in the pocket doing that philly shell he will get hit by that straight left by Judah. So, with all that, I'm going with Judah by stoppage.

The co-feature of the HBO card is James Kirkland and Carlos Molina. This should produce fireworks. We all know what Kirkland does. The dude just does not go backwards. From the first second of the fight he lets it all out. He immediately becomes vulnerable to counter shots. Molina is an aggressive fighter by nature, but he is a smart aggressive fighter. He has his wits about him, good defense, good chin, and is a sharpshooter. Molina is a good, clever boxer. And that is why I'm taking Carlos Molina by KO. He may not hit hard, but Nobuhiro Ishida didn't hit hard either. Ishida, as we all know, decked Kirkland 3 times and stopped him in one of the biggest upsets of the year last year. But, and this is what the Kirkland fans have been beating on, that was without Ann Wolfe. And there is merit to that argument. That was a shell of James Kirkland. That was an out of shape, and just not a sharp looking James Kirkland. With Ann Wolfe, Kirkland fought Angulo and was in much, much better shape and ended up winning a thrilling contest, as we all know. But, skills wise, there really wasn't much of a difference between a pre-Ann Wolfe and after Ann Wolfe. It was the same Kirkland that comes forward, eating punches, throwing bombs. And that is why I'm taking Molina. Molina is an overall better fighter than Kirkland and power or not I think eventually wear down Kirkland. You can only take so much and have so much stamina. Sooner or later that fades and eating punches like skittles will catch up to you. And that is why I'm taking Molina. I just see Molina countering Kirkland popping him with punches, his good defense and good chin doesn't betray him and he stops Kirkland somewhere in the fight. It's tough to envision this fight going the distance and tough to see Molina getting stopped, so that leaves one other option and that is Kirkland getting stopped. So, yeah, Molina by stoppage.

Erik Morales, can he do it again? Boy, I hope so. I'll be rooting like crazy for Morales to win this fight. Nothing against Danny Garcia, but come on, that's Erik Morales. I hope Morales wins, but it's tough to see him winning. Not impossible, but it will be tough. Morales is the ultimate boxer. High IQ, technically sound, amazing heart, tough chin, strong will and with all that he is just so exciting. Morales will have his opportunities to catch Garcia with punches. I'm not high on Garcia, I'm not. He loops a lot of his punches, stands straight up, which means he gets caught easily. Not much footwork, not really fast, good jab, but doesn't use it enough. And he has an awful left hook, and for a Philly fighter, that's a sin. Plus, he doesn't push the pace, so Morales should be okay with stamina, may'be. Danny Garcia did demonstrate a good chin taking bombs from Kendall Holt in his latest fight. Plus, Garcia is the natural at this weight, while this definitely isn't Morales' natural weight class So, when you factor all that in, this fight should go the distance. Garcia has the backing of Al Haymon, Sam Watson, and Sam Watson's kids. So, I gotta think in a close fight Garcia will get the decision. This is in Texas and Morales is the "champion" coming into this fight. So, may'be, may'be Morales will catch a break in a close fight and get the decision. But we'll see, I think it should be a pretty close fight, really leaning one way or the other. But I'm going with Garcia just because of what I said just a little while back. So, why not? Garcia by UD, but WAR MORALES! :yep
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loved it

FIGHTER2R · Mar 25, 2012

Sor rungvisai ud.

DemolitionDan · Mar 25, 2012

kirk said: ↑

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Yeah, actually looking back I was pretty much money on all of them. Though the Zaveck-Uushona fight, I guess would be closer. I guess it sort of was, Zaveck wasn't dominating the rounds, but just doing enough for 10-9 rounds. And if you look at the RBR you will see Dan-U-Box numbers and the punch stats show that.

What I find funny though, are all kinds of threads talking about Danny Garcia, there all, why isn't he throwing more punches? He didn't look good, he's not aggressive, he sucks, etc. And I'm thinking, shoot, that's just who he is. And I want to lead him to this thread and be Emmanuel Steward. (this is exactly how I thought it would go. ) But I don't do that, because if I bumped everything and every time I'm right I'd take up the first 10 pages of ESB.

Brand · Mar 26, 2012

3/27 Yota Sato SD

David B · Mar 26, 2012

David B said: ↑

Morales offer is off the table now
no money left
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Kirk,
there was never a Morales-Garcia bet
simply had no money left because of the bet with Tackie

chatty · Mar 26, 2012

kirk said: ↑

Hey everyone, back from the field. wow.

Alright,

So I just got done watching Kirkland vs Molina.

I know many will disagree, but I actually think the person that the ref robbed most that night was Kirkland, out of a legit stoppage win over one of the top fighters of his division.

Kirkland had Molina done for imo, and there was still 2 more rounds to go. I do think Kirkland would have stopped Molina, and the fact that he was able to wear Molina down like he did in spite of Molinas constant, and I mean constant, pushing, smothering, hugging, and hitting after breaks, has me not feeling so bad about this performence from James.

Was it a subpar performance? For sure. He was in with a guy who was fighting his ass off, while he himself seemed a little restrained compared to the Kirkland we are used to seeing.

Some thoughts

* The way Kirkland is treated and is trained, is good for a shooting star type of career, flashes in the pan, but it is bound to wear on a person mentally and physically, I hope Kirkland doesnt burn out soon.

* That could very well be in the top 3 worst refs Ive ever seen. He allowed Molina to literally run up to kirkland, push him to the ropes, and then hug him. Then I think in round 9 or so, Kirkland tries to say something about it and he tells Kirkland 'Sshh'. Then, again in round 9 I believe, he says break, and Molina hits Kirkland well after that.

I really think people shouldnt be too hard on Kirkland for this fight, its not the best fight to have to build his profile, and he underperformed, but lets look at it again from another angle.

- Everyone knew Molina was going to be a tough out for him. Kirkland needs work against good movers and counterpunchers, and Molina is one of the best fighters at the weightclass
- He was in there with a fighter that was doing everything he could just about to make the fight dirty, smothering Kirklands work, and downright cheating imo with the amount he pushed and held. Then there was the ref that allowed it. You put in a ref that doesnt allow Molina to do that constantly, its probable imo that Kirkland wears him down quicker.

Despite that, he still wore molina down

I dont think that should be overlooked. Molina came to fight his ass off, got James to fight his fight, made the fight dirty as hell, and still got worn down by Kirkland by round 10.

I dont think many fighters in the division would have Molina done in the way Kirkland did by that point if Molina is allowed to use the tactics he did this weekend.

So those are the positives Im taking away from that fight. The negative is much easier to see and much more prevalent. Kirkland showed many flaws, as usual, was getting outboxed and manhandled through big portions of the fight, and just didnt really look like the Kirkland we are used to for the most part until around 9 and 10.

Idk, its just IMO. I do understand where others are coming from though for the most part.

As for Morales vs Garcia, was suprised to see Morales have the kind of success he had, and I am so glad he did. However the end result was what I was unfortunatly expecting. I hope Morales retires, hes given us fans all we could want, and for himself, he can retire knowing he was one of the purest and best warriors on the planet. Im sure he could find a job that has to do with either commentating, boxing analyist on tv or whatever.

I have to say I am suprised, but was happy to see, Judah stop Paris. Judah shows that even still, after all his ups and downs and now adding on the years, hes still a fighter that if you are not on world level, he will work you. Which shows me that Judah is still close to being a world level fighter.

UPDATES - Ill do wager updates tonight, along with some other things, and I will collect all the picks.

I appreciate the patience you have shown this month guys, the updates will be up and out within the next few days (all of them)

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I agree with you on the Kirkland-Mollina fight. I think it was a bull**** stoppage that marred the fight. I had Mollina way ahead but Kirkland was really wearing him down, Mollina may have ran the last two rounds and it was still possible he could have survived the fight and won, I could see Kirkland getting to him though and six minutes is a long time to go running for.

The DQ ruined what would have been a real interesting two rounds from the fans POV, it ruined Kirklands chance to get a good stoppage on his record which would have put his stock up considering he would have had a nice come from behindd victory against a solid boxer at the weight. It also ruined Mollina's chance to finish the fight and possibly gain a career best vitory which would have opened the door to bigger fights and paydays for him.

As it stands the only real winners are GBP who looked to be the ones pushing for the DQ, Yet again arsehole promoters ruining the sport.

Robney · Mar 26, 2012

Last weekend was pretty spectacular, shame I missed it.
But it's overshadowed by controversy like usual lately.

Bad decision @ Takalani Ndlovu vs. Jeffrey Mathebula (Math SD)
Ridiculous DQ @ Carlos Molina vs. James T. Kirkland (Kirk DQ10)
Saved by the timekeeper @ Enzo "on his back" Mac vs Shane McPhilbin (Mac UD)
Hollywood last seconds KO @ Kevin "Kimbo" Ferguson vs Brian "De Palma" Greene (Kimbo KO4)
atsch

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3/27 Suriyan Sor Rungvisai vs. Yota Sato 12x3 WBC Super Flyweight Title

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David B · Mar 26, 2012

Robney said: ↑

Last weekend was pretty spectacular, shame I missed it.
But it's overshadowed by controversy like usual lately.

Bad decision @ Takalani Ndlovu vs. Jeffrey Mathebula (Math SD)
Ridiculous DQ @ Carlos Molina vs. James T. Kirkland (Kirk DQ10)
Saved by the timekeeper @ Enzo "on his back" Mac vs Shane McPhilbin (Mac UD)
Hollywood last seconds KO @ Kevin "Kimbo" Ferguson vs Brian "De Palma" Greene (Kimbo KO4)
atsch

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3/27 Suriyan Sor Rungvisai vs. Yota Sato 12x3 WBC Super Flyweight Title

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watched the Kimbo vs Greene fight yesterday
felt there was something fishy about the stoppage

Badbot · Mar 26, 2012

David B said: ↑

watched the Kimbo vs Greene fight yesterday
felt there was something fishy about the stoppage
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He seemed really tired and the shot did land right on his chin.

Malden · Mar 26, 2012

PinoyProdigy said: ↑

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What? No good fight you think? :think Better than that Phillipine fight I would think. At least "better" in the sense that more people know about Fury and Rogan. Even I dont know those two Pinoys :shock:

Malden · Mar 26, 2012

kirk said: ↑

*Malden, I got your PM, sorry I didnt respond sooner man but I didnt get back till today, I will get back to you on that :good
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:good

I also won 10 dollars in a bet against Badlock (Rodriguez-George)

So i should be 3-1.

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