The all things technical thread.

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by slip&counter, Feb 5, 2012.


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  1. JukeboxTimebomb

    JukeboxTimebomb Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jack Johnson believed you should be able to do anything with your weaker hand as well as you do it with your stronger hand to be a complete fighter. He trained himself to write with his left hand.
     
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  2. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    I thought Molina/Kirkland was very interesting technically.

    It's intriguing to analyse what Molina was doing in that fight. I thought he was brillient and treated a plodding puncher how he deserves to be treated. I really appreciated it, if many others didn't. He took the play away from Kirkland by getting off first with straight punches. His movement was very astute and it was a crafty performance by him.

    One thing he did which was a joy to see was, he disarmed Kirkland. What i mean by that is. Imagine you're facing someone infront of you holding a gun. What's your best chance of disarming them, running away? or trying to close the distance and smother them? Your best chance of course is to try and smother them and grab or turn the gun. That's what he did to Kirkland. He took his gun away from him by smothering him on the inside.

    Some people think this is easy to do, but trust me it's not. It's not easy to initiate effective clinches without looking like you're fouling or leaving yourself open when you do that. Smothering is actually a very high skill which needs a lot of work. Not everyone can do it. If people like Khan or Jermaine Taylor could smother or disarm opponents. If they knew how to clinch properly they would be infinitely better, more effective fighters.

    To people who don't know any better it's annoying because they just wanna see a tear up. But it can be very effective in winning you the fight. Sometimes it can really be the difference between winning and losing (think Taylor/Froch). And if the ref ain't warning you it's even better because it means you've done it properly and not made him notice too much.
     
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  3. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Counter punchers?
     
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  4. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Miguel Canto. Alexis Arguello. Ayub Kalule, Jeff :good
     
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  5. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Hopkins vs Roach in corners, nice to see Hop work a corner. As good as i expected bar shouting stuff across ring :lol:.
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pywTVxJ8COI[/ame]
     
    SkillspayBills, Mar 26, 2012
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  6. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Shaq is hilarious. Always has been.
     
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  7. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Lennox talks about the Kirk Johnson situation in this interview.


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ADV9g2c_Ik[/ame]
     
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  8. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    I found it a horrible fight to watch personally. Kirkland looked subdued from very get go. Some of that was very nice use of small steps by Molina offsetting Kirkland as well as Jab to low body.

    My problem was the persistent holding, it was constant and at times he'd clinch, break then clinch right away. I can't dig that ****..a fair amount of time he wasn't even throwing on inside just mauling.

    He used it tactically, wearing out Kirkland and it was working but if i'm brutally honest if i ref'd that fight i'd deducted points and dq him because Boxing doesn't need that sorta stuff i felt it was blantant what he was doing. If it wasn't so persistent i'd not have a issue and at times he put head in with it which made it worse for me. Ref just stood there like a bewildered dickhead...

    Bending rules happens, but this sorta stuff isn't good for sport and i don't think he needed to do it. If fight gets to inside find a way out or deal with it Molina and if your gonna be slippery at least be subtle with it son. **** i nearly headbutted the screen the guy was pissing me off.

    Found this, some are harsh at Kirkland does initiate a few himself
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMZuG5z5l2M[/ame]

    I hope this stuff get's cracked down on otherwise were gonna get GSP types. Mauling there way to victory's, With Ward he does things smart and does at least throw.

    I heard the Alexander-Maidana display was hugfest by Devon?.
     
    SkillspayBills, Mar 26, 2012
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  9. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    I can see why it could annoy people. But i really didn't see it as a big deal, yes perhaps it was a little excessive, but it was a great, smart tactic and if the referee isn't ganna warn him or deduct a point, i don't see why he should stop.

    Clinching/mauling on the inside is not a big foul to me. In fact i see properly clinching as a skill. I've seen too many fighters lose fights and get into trouble because they didn't know how to initiate effective clinches. Molina was disarming Kirkland with it.

    My problem would've been if he was ONLY clinching and using that as a survival tactic and stinking the joint with it and just trying to go the distance and not win. That's the impression you would get the way people are reacting to it. The clinching was just one part of it, the guy was dominating the fight and working inside too. It's also up to Kirkland to do something about it.

    I think the reaction of the commentators and the time and expectations are what exacerbated it. I truly believe people just wanted to see a tear up with the reputation of Kirkland and how his last fight was and when Molina came with a different look that irritated people, particularly at that late hour.

    I can't get mad at a dude who just schooled someone.
     
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  10. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    I understand people clinching when in trouble i'm happy with it within understandable reason, but i don't see a skill in leeching to a fighter when falling short with a punch Slip or just do it to control a fighters attacks. He clinched from first few moments and just persisted with it. If he worked more on inside i'd of appreciated it but he only threw now and then. At times he did some lovely work but wouldn't do it enough during rounds. Was like watching MMA :-(.

    Kirkland should of done more but rules are rules, they should be kept and that's persistent holding. I seen other fighters bashed for using similar tactics. I'm glad he got DQ'd. Horrible display in my book, Kirkland was a lucky boy no doubts..

    Gotta disagree on this one mate.
     
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  11. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    That's ok, mate. It's good to agree to disagree sometimes...;):good
     
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  12. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    :good:lol:
     
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  13. Spearmint Rhino

    Spearmint Rhino Guest

    I've watched it through myself.... **** him - was at it way too much for my liking.

    Not quite at the levels of Hatton vs Urango like but bad enough. I think Ricky was very lucky not to be docked points or even thrown out that night.
     
    Spearmint Rhino, Mar 27, 2012
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  14. SkillspayBills

    SkillspayBills Mandanda Running E-Pen Full Member

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    Yep that was horrible to watch as well.
     
    SkillspayBills, Mar 27, 2012
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  15. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's go with a slightly less known fighter here, Leeonzer Barber. A smooth graceful boxer I enjoy watching. Gave Darius Michalczewski a decent tussle for the title some years ago. What do the boxing eggheads make of him then?

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk0MfxqRda0[/ame]
     
    Boro chris, Mar 27, 2012
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