May/Pac are not ducking, The REAL reason why the fight hasnt happened ...

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  1. sampsonsimpson

    sampsonsimpson Member Full Member

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    I'm tired of seeing all of these "ducking" threads (from both sides) when the reason this fight hasnt happened has been clear for a very long time ...

    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

    this article is from 06

    now, may-pac would arguably make more money than odlh-may, so you may be thinking that there would be more money in it for arum ... but the total guaranteed purses for this fight are going to be higher than what odlh/may were guaranteed so that gain is nullified

    may isnt ducking pac, he guaranteed pac the biggest pay day of his life, by far (albeit a mayweather promottion) ... pac isnt ducking may, for much the same reason, career high pay day

    the only person that loses with this fight is arum ... arum makes more money off of pac fighting just about anyone else in the top rank stable than he would with pac fighting may

    the ped testing cutoffs, countdowns, cuts, 50/50s, stadiums, "ducking" is all BS ... the reason this fight isnt going to happen is because of BA
     
  2. catnthehat

    catnthehat Pac doesn't deserve 50/50 Full Member

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    And the truth goes on.
     
  3. Nay_Sayer

    Nay_Sayer On Rick James Status banned Full Member

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    Arum works for Pacquiao, not the other way around. If Pacquiao really wanted this fight, it would have happened by now.
     
  4. sampsonsimpson

    sampsonsimpson Member Full Member

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    pac def deserves some blame for not putting more public pressure on arum, but theres more to it than that

    when may really wanted the odlh fight and arum "worked" for him, he had to buy his way out to make that fight a reality

    boxer/promoter is more of a partnership than a boss/employee relationship ... either side can decide against a fight and it wont happen
     
  5. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

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    At the end of the day,if a fighter wants the fight,especially powerful cash cows like those two,then the fight must be made.Even promoters as powerful as Arum must relent if he risks losing his prize asset.
    The fighters are to blame.
     
  6. sampsonsimpson

    sampsonsimpson Member Full Member

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    theres a documented history of arum being unrelenting, even in the face of losing his prize asset
     
  7. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pac should fire Arum and let's see if this fight gets made.

    Arum wants control of the cash just as much as Floyd does. Floyd and Pac are the Promotion so there is no reason for Arum to be involved. Yet Arum wants control and his huge cut just to sit on his ass and make a few phone calls.

    Once Pac stands up to Arum and tells him "I know how to read now boss"___it should be game over. But will Pac leave?
    He should. Just like Oscar, Floyd and, Miguel did.

    Overall, don't buy into this "legacy is what's important; not money" from anyone on Pac's side.

    At least Floyd admits its all about the Money.

    If it weren't about the money, 40 million should be more than enough for Pac to fight for his legacy. But like Floyd, he wants what he feels he is worth...which means, he cares about the money...as well as what he feels he is worth (for respect matters) and isn't willing to cast that aside simply for a legacy fight.
     
  8. Diggersan

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    the real reason that this fight isn't happening is that floyd and arum can not work together, its an impossibility. Arum has been around the sport for more years than most people have. Along comes floyd with an ego even bigger than arum, and you think these two guys won't butt heads. Everyone can not point the blame at Arum, it does not lie solely at his feet. Everyone still seems to forget that all this bull**** started with Mayweather's bull**** random drug testing nonsense as well. Actually it started before that when they refused to show up to a meeting with Jerry Jones in Texas to see if the fight could have been showed at the stadium in Dallas. I seriously think that Arum got fed up with Mayweather's bull**** and now the fight will not get made because we have 2 immature children at the head of the table.
     
  9. Nay_Sayer

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    Pacquiao is Arum's biggest money maker and has way more leverage than Mayweather did while he was being promoted by Arum. Why do you think Arum let Floyd walk for a mere $750k?

    I don't believe for an instant that Pacquiao couldn't make this fight happen if he really wanted it.
     
  10. Hook!

    Hook! Proud member of team G. Full Member

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    floyd/haymon is willing to negotiate with arum, arum does not want to negotiate with floyd
     
  11. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    what's wrong with splitting the expenses and the profit in half and get this fight over with.
     
  12. catnthehat

    catnthehat Pac doesn't deserve 50/50 Full Member

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    Arum does not want to let Pacquiao near Mayweather. Even with a 50/50 Arum wouldn't do it.

    Plus Manny has a career high payday of maybe 15 millioin. Documented career high of 7.5 but lets say he doubled that with PPV etc. Floyd has a career high of 45 million.
     
  13. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    first negotiation was 50-50 and it was a go from both sides so don't make it like that is/was a problem.

    http://www.examiner.com/filipino-sp...pacquiao-s-nsac-purse-discrepancies-explained

    ESPN's Dan Rafael explained the matter in layman's terms in a recent chat and wrote:
    "The figures written a Nevada contract are not necessarily the real number for big PPV guys. They get most of their money off PPV generally. So if Manny's "official" purse is $8 million fine. But he is guaranteed in his contract with Top Rank (which is not something the commission would have or release if it did) something like $20 million or whatever. The money is the money. One of the reasons for the disparity is because Manny is not a US citizen and is often paid a large amount of his money through his Filipino promotional company and deals in the Philippines for things like the television revenue there. So while it looks like a big difference it is not in reality."
     
  14. canucks9314

    canucks9314 Iron Chinned ATG Warrior Full Member

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    Mayweather had 8,000,000 on his bout contract for the Baldomir fight (when he wasn't a massive star) and he was with Top Rank.
     
  15. JASPER

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    There really isn't any sense talking to people on these boards. What you are saying is true and common knowledge but both sides are so deeply entrenched in their sides that nothing can change their minds. i have been saying it for years that it was BOB that is the big stumbling block . . . he can make more money having fights in house. Besides if manny happens to lose he just has a new star to push. No one can create a star like Top Rank (he made Oscar, PBF and Pac) but he has a road map he wants to follow and if you are not on that map you are not an option (like PBF in May).

    To those who say; "if Manny wants the fight he can make bob do it" . . . that is not the working arrangement with Top rank fighters. Arum calls the major shots