Where would you rate James Toney as an ATG? + Why?

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  1. floyd_g.o.a.t

    floyd_g.o.a.t Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's been a great fighter for many years, and has an excellent defense.

    He's a great counter puncher and has fought everyone he could across all the weight divisions.

    He's still fighting on and some regard him as the best ever, but where would you place him?

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7Eox6rHBk8&feature=related[/ame]

    That's one of his greatest fights, sweet science at its best.
     
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  2. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    Who????

    Anyway somewhere between 75-125, he was good but i think he's become a bit of a myth with time, he lost every round to jones, was beaten twice soundly by the good but not great griffen, never fought benn, eubank, hopkins, cherry picked ruiz at h/w and got busted for roids, i mean he's not top 50 material imo.
     
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  3. floyd_g.o.a.t

    floyd_g.o.a.t Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Damn when you list the negatives it's hard to place anyone as an ATG.

    What he achieved in the ring makes him an ATG even though the roids thing was a downfall, you cant deny his skills and great defense. Fighters like him are a dying breed.
     
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  4. Earl-hickey

    Earl-hickey Boxing Junkie banned

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    Toney a good fighter dont get me wrong, but a steroid taint is hard to overcome in my mind, how long had he been taking? we will never know but i can tell you Toney hasnt done anything since he got busted? Its a cloud of doubt simmilar to what Margarito has over him.

    I think Toney is a legend and a character, but im certain you could rattle off 50 greater fighters even since 1950 better than toney.
     
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  5. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    He's by no means a lock for the top 100, though personally, I think I could probably make room for him. Still, he isn't cracking the top 90.
     
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  6. PrinceVega

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    top 2
     
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  7. Malden

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    Not at all. Disgraceful convicted (twice!) PED-user.
     
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  8. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    around 40 to 50 for me personally. A 5 9 small framed middleweight goin all the way up to heavy an never bein iced says it all. Middle weight, super middle weight cruiserweight an almost had a belt at heavy.
     
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  9. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The drugs bust do it for me. Absolutely no way I'm calling a cheat great.
     
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  10. Arcane

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    I always thought the term 'ATG' was used for boxers who would fall into the 100 greatest ever, so with that criteria I wouldn't class him as an ATG.
     
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  11. dinnynosher

    dinnynosher Active Member Full Member

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    He just makes the top 100 for me. great fighter.
     
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  12. Tar Baby

    Tar Baby Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sumbu Ka would've beaten him so where would you put him? in Top hun'ed? nah
     
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  13. FAT_TONEY

    FAT_TONEY Active Member Full Member

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    Top 50. Could've become the greatest fighter from MW upwards in the last 20 years, if only he had been more dedicated and disciplined. So much potential. So much wasted potential...

    A huge underachiever, yet still a very good resume. A typical old-school record, fight the best, win some, lose some. But he's without doubt one of the most skilled and one of the toughest to ever lace em up.
     
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  14. brnxhands

    brnxhands Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Please list these 100 fighters better than Toney.
     
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  15. Ren

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    hard to call him a great because of the drugs.

    def a HOFer.
     
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