Jim Jeffries v George Foreman

Not controversial in my book. And he wouldn't be the only one capable of it.

 

To use your word, you have the audacity to equate the ordinary Morrison with Jack Johnson?

Young was 33-19-2 during the rest of his career.

Perhaps Young should have gotten the nod over Ali, but Ali was 34 and, in my judgement, slipping. These close fights with Young and Norton might be more likely in most eras to raise issues of what Ali had left, instead of being used to buoy up the rep of the prime Foreman who lost to both Ali and Young.

 

So you see Foreman as better than not only any version of Jeffries, but also Johnson,

And also Dempsey, even when Foreman himself would be in his forties.

I guess this means that you think Young was better than Johnson and Morrison was better than Dempsey?

 

As wild, off balance and open as Dempsey tended to be, I see Morrison having ample opportunity to close the show.

 

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And "teh Manassa Myth" had a Wet Toilet Paper cheen - which was DESTROYED by a Fireman for several minutes!! :rofl:rofl

 

Comparable in the way he'd have made reno jeffries his *****, yes.

Bah don't hide behind stats, not many hw's can better his run from shavers 2 - norton.

 

I was refering to a prime Foreman, if you think the version that lost to Young was a prime Foreman than Oh-Key-Doh-Key

 

Foreman KO1.

 

Slippery again.:nono
In the 11 months prior to the Foreman fight Young had lost a decision to Ali,[ which many thought he deserved to win] ,and beaten Ron Lyle. Eight months after the Foreman fight Young would lose a split decision to Ken Norton.
Young was the number 2 contender, and had been in the top 3 for the past 3 years.


I think most objective posters would say its what you have done BEFORE a fight that matters , not what you do AFTER.

For example Corbett, going into his fight with Jeffries had not won a fight in 6 years , nor had one in 2 years.
If he was at nearly 37 ,a standout contender with that resume, how deep was the talent pool?:think

 

Sounds a bit like Rocky Marciano. Nat F. said Jeffries beat the best competition of all champions. He has several wins over hall of fame opponents.

The larger opponents Jeffries faced did not last as long as the smaller ones who were better movers. Look it up. In a stand and trade scenario, Jeffries has a good chance vs anyone, especially guys who gas out early as Foreman was known for doing.

 

To say Nat was bias would be an understatement. Yes, Jeffries beat HOFs but so did Foreman, except unlike Foreman they weren't 20-60lbs less and old as hell. Being 39 y/o in 1900 is not like being 39 today.

Yeah Jeffries did go longer with the smalller fighters for alot of them the full 20 rounds....

Since when did Jeffries stand and trade? From all the footage ive seen he keeps his hands about waist high and then lunges forward with his punches, clinches and then proceeds to hit in the clinches. This wouldn't be too smart against Foreman who would be throwing hooks and uppercuts with power several times more powerful than anything Jeffries had ever felt, and should Jeffries come to close for comfort Foreman could shove him back. He threw Chuvalo who was similar size to Jeffries around like a rag doll so he wouldn't have much trouble with Jeffries.

 

"slippery again"

Thank you. I try.

But I not aiming at being sneaky. I will say directly that I think Young is grossly overrated.

BEFORE--Well, Young did ok, but nothing extraordinary. In 1972 he was beaten by Randy Neumann. In 1973 he was stopped by Shavers and drew with Billy Aird. In 1974, now starting his "matchless" run, he draws with Shavers. Even if we assume Young deserved this decision (and I wouldn't), so what. Shavers lost the next year to Bob Stallings. There comes the two decisions over Lyle, Impressive? To a degree, but Lyle could always be outboxed, as a bad loss to Quarry and a draw with an old Peralta show.
Now to the main events. Young fights a fat, out-of-shape, 34 year old Ali who has the worst off-night of his entire pre-Holmes career and still Young loses a unanimous decision.

And then Foreman!

AFTER--Young fights a fading 34 year old Norton, and yes, loses again. We better stop here because his next two fights are losses to the legendary Ossie Ocasio.

I am not that impressed with Young or his record, and frankly, have a hard time even imagining the feather-fisted Young giving Lewis or the Klitschkos anything like a hard fight. Yet he easily defeated a prime Foreman.