Ricardo Lopez not enough credit

I have Marquez clearly winning the 2nd and 3rd :good

 

going into a point lufcrazy made, it may not matter how they were scored for assessing his greatness. i had pac winning the 2nd by a point but that does nothing to diminish marquez's incredible performance in the fight. if i had marquez winning, it wouldn't mean pac put on any less of a great fight imo

 

Me neither. As I've said before, I take everything into account when discussing a performance (and note it's performance and not 'result', the 'result' is however I interpret the action based on what I've seen) and agreed, in fights like those both men come out with credit (as do Barrera-Morales, even mores for me as I gave Pacqiuao little credit for being pretty much dominated third time round against JMM)

 

ashamed to say i still haven't gotten around to watching it

 

Chavez
Olivares
Sanchez
Saldivar
Canto

^ Those are lock top 5 for me.

The likes of Morales, Barrera, Zarate, Azteca, Arizmendi, Casanova, and Marquez would make the rest of the top 10...can't quite decide who fits in the remaining 5 spots.

:good

 

Yeah Lopez is a little overrated but he's still a top 75 guy. He fought quite a few stiffs but a couple of good fighters as well... The bottom line is that few guys can match 11 years as a title holder and 52 fights without a loss. As for the height thing I would argue that Lopez height advantage was no greater than Ray Robinson's and no one downgrades him for that.

 

No he isn't, **** off with that **** mate. That's why he's overrated IMO.

 

He fought no one of note to warrant it

 

How About Gilberto Roman? Where does he rank amongs the mexican greats in your opinion??

 

Nah, straw weight is useless. Some good fighters, don't get me wrong. But there's no WOW factor for me (not even Sojoratung, believe) and his dominance over guys not gold enough to test him, when there were guys who could, well, it just doesn't sit well with me. Also, agree on criteria. Dominance is of course a big factor for me, as well as attributes and the application of these in the fights themselves, it's not just who but how and while Lopez doesn't score highly from me in the former he obviously scores very highly in the latter (like, if I could get hyped for his opposition, would rank right up there with the very best fighters I've ever seen) it just doesn't rank up to other guys who were also great fighters who also have an illustrious line of scalps and far better contenders than Lopez faced. Not one of the 75 greatest fighters ever IMO. I would say Floyd is around there, and I'd rank him over Lopez no doubt.

Zpoilote, yeah, that's fair.

 

I have to ask Flea do you have Bob Foster in the top 75. Because I think most people would, I know I do and I think that Foster and Lopez are very comparable.

 

Around that area. But he took more risks and, IMO, stopping Dick Tiger is an achievement way above what Lopez achieved IMO. That's a 'wow' performance IMO. Foster stepped up to fight the likes of Ali and Frazier. If Lopez had faced, umm, I dunno', Arbachakov, then I'd be more willing to put Lopez in that company.

I see where you're coming from, but although I don't rate Foster's consistency of contenders during his reign, but Light Heavyweight is without a doubt a deeper and more historically relevant division to reign over.

I rate Mike Spinks higher than Foster. He's in the 35-40 bracket for me, no doubt. I really want to stress the point that I am in no way a Lopez 'hater' or detractor, I don't think he did anything wrong. There are just other fighters I find much more impressive in terms of career. Straw weight title defences really don't run high for me in terms of 'kudos' and furthering a fighters rank.

 

Well the Dick Tiger fight never really wowed me both because Foster was like 10 feet taller and tiger was at the end of his career more or less. I think he had one good fight left in him. And also Foster got breast up pretty bad every time he moved up. Lopez getting beaten up by Arbachakov or Too Sharp (and he absolutely would have gotten his but kicked by both) would not have helped anymore than Foster getting demolished by Ali and Frazier helped his legacy. Had Lopez been born 30 years earlier he's not Miguel Canto. Hell he'd be lucky to be Pone Kingpetch. But I can't hold that against him anymore than I can hold the fact that Pernell Whitaker would have been mediocre 100 years ago or that Ketchel would be a club fighter today. If everything were equal you might be right and Lopez might not even crack the top 200. Maybe we've fooled ourselves because Lopez looked so spectacular on film that we didn't care who it was against; that Lopez looked great not because he was a giant amongst mortal but because he was a man amongst boys. But everything is not equal and Lopez did what he did which was IMO spectacular.