Whats wrong with Jorge Linares?????

I agree with this.

His problem is he gets hit in the face too much. Sergio was landing that overhand right at will. He has a paper face because he's more than willing to give his opponent a crack at at.

 

I noticed that too. Really bad habit. The overhand right was what started his trouble against Thompson.

 

He holds his left hand low while circling, doesn't fight disciplined enough to maintain ideal range, cuts easily, and squares up too much on the inside. He came back against a very tough opponent as a first fight back, and I feel wasn't fighting according to the gameplan, so Roach shouldn't get too much heat.

 

If he wasn't fighting according to the gameplan, I think that also reflects badly on Roach. It means he didn't have him prepared. Roach should have had him ready after all the time they spend in training.

 

I agreed with you up to that point. Roach doesn't teach his fighters how to work on the inside, he doesn't teach them to clinch, his gameplans are very basic : combination and move, rinse & repeat for 12 rds. He's not a good tactical or defensive trainer, Linares needs to leave him.

 

Like many on this forum have stated though, too much responsibility and credit often goes to the trainer. The fighter has to go out there and perform after pressure while remembering what he was prepared to do. It's easy to forget what you were supposed to be doing when you find yourself exchanging with a shorter man after you got tagged. Roach scolded him for it, and he went back out and did the same thing and paid for it. Does Angulo's overeager display against Kirkland mean Nacho isn't a disciplined trainer?

How many trainers out there are actually better than Roach though? His competition as of now stands with Steward, Nacho...and a few others considered a step below him, like McGirt, Shields, Garcia, etc. He still has some of the most complete fighters in the game. I'd also have to disagree that his gameplans are basic. The strategies to fight Margarito, Cotto, DLH, and Hatton all came from the same framework that is Pacquiao's style, but had many differences among them. Same thing when Khan fought Maidana, Judah, Maligniaggi, etc. They all had vital defensive elements to their strategies. Linares needs to improve, but it's also upon the fighter to recognize what he's lacking. I doubt he's going to do better finding another trainer. It's one thing to say Roach has flaws as a trainer, and another to say leaving Roach would benefit Linares, which I find hard to agree with.

 

Linares boxed the same way he did before he met Roach who has added very little to his style. I thought it was a bull**** stoppage and never a kd i the first place. Would still back him V demarco and thompson who he hurt in the first round with no doubt.

His chin isn't as bad as someone like Khan he doesn't get knocked out just cuts easily and once cut its a lot harder to fight normally.

 

I watched a video that didn't have sound in Linares' corner, what did Roach say?

I don't think Nacho would tell Angulo to ease up on Kirkland if Angulo felt he could get him out of there. Angulo thought he could finish it, but he was wrong. That was a gamble on Angulo's part which was probably part of the gameplan seeing how Krikland just recently lost by KO in the first. Not punching himself out, but trying to pressure Krirland.

 

no power.

crazy how many people don't see it.

ever since his injury in 08, he hasn't had the pop he used to have.

 

Roach was telling him to stick to the gameplan and stop being wild. Nacho in-between rounds told him to not tire out. He was mad afterwards.

 

I'm not saying Roach is an incompetent trainer, he's good at developing a fighter's offense and movement. He makes them throw great combos before turning and moving, it's effective but not very scientific. Pac's strategies against those opponents you mentioned had some differences but overall they were pretty one-dimensional. Fought Margarito on the back foot, fought Cotto in the center of the ring, fought DLH on the backfoot, fought Hatton in the center of the ring, etc. Same thing for Khan who is even more repetitive with his attacks.

Linares has amazing skills but Roach is not letting him use them to their full extent because he's limiting him with that repetitive punch-and-move BS. He's just not a good fit for Linares. Trainers like Beristain, Steward or Richardson would do a better job IMO.

 

Roach

 

He stands too tall too much of the time and that's why he gets hit with big shots. This has been going since forever. He stands too straight up. Against Demarco, he just fought stupidly at the end and indulged Demarco.

 

:deal

 

He hurt the guy in the first round...

Honestly his problem is defensive and he doesn't have a good sense of range at time. This guy was pretty much letting Thompson hit him with big slow looping right hands by having his head sticking straight up and standing in the exact range to be hit. All he had to do was stay out of range of those and counter jab and or hook over the right hand. Either that or stand in the pocket. If he wasn't going to stand out of range of those looping right hands he should've circled him to his right and pretty much just counterpunch this guy to oblivion.

This guy on top of that keep his left hand extremely low at the range where those looping right hands would connect. Why he didn't keep his hands up and have his head up like an ostrich i have no idea.