PRIME Tyson vs PRIME Holyfield...Who wins this and Why ?

Prime for prime I would still back Tyson to take this.

I do understand the argument for Holyfield though, it's a very strong argument at that. Holyfield has the style and mental toughness to always give Mike nightmares.

 

I'd heavily favour hin. So much so that Tyson has has just over a punchers chance imo

 

I think Mike wins this. Tyson back in the 80's had better headmovement and was a better body puncher, plus he put combinations together. I see Tyson wearing him down with the body work, Holyfield didn't take body punches very well, the riddick bowe fight, James Toney fight and the 5th round of the first Tyson/Holyfield fight showed that. I think Tyson would be all over once he got him hurt and would be more consistent too, with his punchout put. It would be a great fight, but I got Tyson in this one.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KJKKHH49gI[/ame], here goes mike at his best

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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58aMy4MzVsUHere[/ame] goes Evander

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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6fMxSiFud0[/ame]

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58aMy4MzVsU[/ame], mike at his best

 

People have to stop saying Holyfield had Tyson's number just because he beat a Post-Prison, Drug and Sex addicted version of Tyson. Holyfield too was past his prime though. But unlike Tyson, Holyfield stayed motivated and Active.

With that said, I'm not sure who wins Prime vs. Prime. Tyson's best was done after Spinks fight. No game-plan, not trained well, etc.
And you need that when facing Holyfield.

But I give Tyson a real shot at beating Holyfield:

Tyson, when Trained with Rooney, actually had a "Game-Plan" and "Guidance" through a fight. So much so that Rooney basically walked Tyson through bouts a lot of times by calling out commands/numbers. People seem to overlook all this with the importance of Rooney. So it wasn't just about what was going on in training camp but what also transpired during the fight itself.
Under Rooney; Tyson had a solid, fast, hard JAB. Something that would be even more usable against a guy of Holy's height than say, Tucker and Biggs who Tyson was still able to land very well on.

Combinations: even more usable. Especially since Holy liked to stand toe to toe and wasn't some giant.

And most of all, the most valuable shots of them all against Holyfield and KEY......BODY-SHOTS. If you want to get to Holyfield, you shoot to his body. The Man does not have a natural 200+ HW waistline. He doesn't take shots to the body all that well like some may assume. That's how you slow him down. That's what Bowe and others did as well. But with Tyson, it's body to Head shot and vice-versa combos.

Holyfield didn't fight non-stop. Neither did Tyson. which is good. Holyfield had lapses during his fights at HW. Lapses that you could take advantage of and pound him. But that sounds all good, right? Well, the problem was that Holy was a freak and after taking his pounding, the MFer came back from his sleep and would pound you back. But could he get away with that with Tyson? Maybe. But for how long?

For anyone that wants to see Holyfield vulnerable and understand what I'm saying :-D, watch "Evander Holyfield vs. Alex Stewart" as just one example.

 

Boxing is mostly mental. Holy could take Tyson's punches and he obviously studied his style when they actually fought because Mike was missing quite a bit with all of the hooks that he was throwing and Holy was able to slip them a lot of the time and then counter with his own shots. He also held Tyson when they were in close. Basically, Holy just had Mike's number. If Mike had used more of a jab that first fight could've looked different. Oh, and Holy was not afraid of Mike.

 

Boxing is also about training. Tyson wasn't training the same from a "technical" side either. Nor did he have much of a game-plan unless you count his thoughts on just bulldozing what he thought was a faded Holyfield.

Tyson basically sucked post-prison. He was not that fluid at all. Even post Spinks you could see him fading from his "fluid" style.

Tyson was more hittable after Rooney. And especially after Prison.

And Mentally, way off post prison.

OH, AND RAZOR RUDDOCK WASN'T AFRAID OF TYSON EITHER.

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I give it to Holy--I am one of those that believe Holy has his number.

 

AGREE.......

WHAT TYSON LOST WHEN HE LEFT ROONEY WAS A HUGE DEAL; IT MADE HIS STYLE; IT MADE HIM VERY HARD TO BEAT.

Science of Tyson and basically why fighters got intimidated and folded

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A year or two ago Holyfield said he would have struggled big time with tyson around mid-late 80's.He said he knew that Tyson stopped training hard after he left Rooney and that down the stretch he would tire.He also said the reason he beat him was conditioning.

 

The Tyson apologists are so annoying

 

It depends what the issue is.

Did Tyson decline post Rooney? Answer is Yes. That was confirmed by elite trainers and boxers alike. I can post an article if you like. Made a thread about it before.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=247582

Was Tyson faded after prison? That's an obvious yes. You don't get better sitting in jail for 3 years not training. It's not good for the mind or body. And when you never go back to "what got you there" to the title in the first place; you don't stand much of a chance against elite fighters.

Tyson was also an addict post-prison. That's known too.

What was Tyson like post-prison...just a glimpse from what a trainer said:

http://espn.go.com/columns/wojnarowski_adrian/1317765.html

Did Tyson not train properly for Douglas? that's known too.
Posted information/articles on that as well. He was fat, out of shape, mentally didn't want to be there and most of all...getting beat up in training by non other than Trevor Berbick.
Now that's sad.

Link:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=389527



Now was it Tyson's fault for throwing it away? Absolutely yes. And that's what separates the apologists who blame other things than Tyson himself who was handed a team and guidance but decided to chose wrong. They'll blame King, Robin, etc. but won't put the blame on Tyson who made the decisions to go with them and disband his original team. That's on him. And that's a part of why he lost. So that's a part of his legacy.


Tyson was better with Rooney than without. Different fighters Mentally, Physically, and Technically.


But one thing for sure is that it would be a tough fight. So Tyson would have to be prepared. And this I think Tyson would be if he had someone like Rooney with him.
Tyson would have trained properly for that fight during those days. He would have had to because he already sparred with Evander and they had a brutal sparring session. So that's motivation in itself. But by the time they ended up meeting, Tyson was to far gone as a fighter MENATALLY, as well as Technically and physically (for the long haul).


Holyfield's advantage would be late in the fight if he is not worn down. Tyson's not as strong late in fights like Evander is.

 

XPERT-post m8. :deal

 

Holyfield a G.:rasta

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