----The official Carl "Cobra" Froch express----

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by persianprince, Mar 23, 2012.


  1. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,479
    14
    Jun 13, 2011
    Posted from PTF's thread a while ago. (I've reposted it so much you've probably all seen it before)

    My take :

    First my thoughts on Froch as this point

    Nuts and Bolts :

    Boxer puncher who shows more discipline now than ever.
    Good jab, single and double which offers him a range finder, and a defensive tool. Under-rated wepone when he goes to the body.
    Good right hand, capable of shooting it straight and looping it mid flight, this increases it's chance of landing despite a telegraphed look.
    Cast Iron chin
    Very good Stamina (Age considered)
    Uppercuts with both hands, which are sometimes thrown from too far out.
    Brilliant trainer and tactician in his corner.


    Froch peaked in the Super Six tournament, he had retained his physical tools into his mid to late thirties, and made a mental adjustment to be more of a pugilist than a face first brawler. Factoring in Carl's length, his under-rated jab, brilliant corner, and chin this suited him well and we saw the results.

    Froch had always felt he was in the shadow of Joe Calzaghe, the Super Six tournament would be his arena, his stage to prove that he was better than Joe, that he (Froch) had faced the best competition of his era and beat them.

    I think Froch put everything he had into that tournament, mentally and physically. The fact is that he's 35 years old and closer to the end of his career than the biggining. The game plan below is suited to the Froch from the Super Six tournament, which may turn out to be different from the man that we see in May.

    Nuts and bolts about Bute :

    Southpaw
    Nice jab, which he is capable of doubling and trippling up on.
    Very good body puncher
    Improved defense
    Sharp and precise puncher
    Good punching fluidity
    Under-rated corner man, who tells it like it is.

    Bute is on the right side of a rising tide right now, he appears more polished everytime he fights (Though opposition is questionable and not on par with Froch's recent fights) and shows more defensive awareness now than he did previously. (Case and point the first Andrade fight) Bute shows good power, and an ability to grind his man down by going to the body. Lateral movement and punching fluidity are key points when it comes to analysing Bute.

    His chin may be suspect.
    There are questions over his opposition
    The fight is away from home
    He will be eager to make a statement.

    How I would advise Froch to fight :

    The crowd in this fight, may be as much of a problem early on for Froch, as they are for Bute. For the first two rounds, I would have Froch fight conservative, pump his jab, doubling up whilst walking forward. Stay behind that jab, and do not put your chin in range of Bute early. It's a new enviroment for the Canadian, don't allow him to land early and gain confidence. Stay composed, and shoot the right hand as warning when Bute gets too close. When shooting the right hand, take half a step to your right, (Back foot, to the right) in order to keep the angle straight, rather than unconventional and suited to a southpaw.

    When Bute does get close, establish lead foot position. At a speed dis-advantage as well as from a technical stand point, tactical superiority is vital for Froch.

    Do not throw those long looping upper-cuts in the first few rounds, you will leave yourself exposed to either a right hook over the top, or a straight left down the shoot.

    There must be a pretence of defence for Froch, if he's jabbing he must pivot to the side and keep his right hand up, Bute is capable of precise fast punching, and it's not good to take too many. Use the jab as a defensive tool, use it to get Bute to concede ground, then occupy that space, in other words establish to the judges that you are in control of the ring.

    4th round onwards there must be body work. Froch keeps his left hand low, I'd spend the entire training camp trying to drum that out of him here, especially when he goes to the body. Jab to the pit of the stomach, and bring your left hand back covering your chin, likewise when shooting a straight right to the body. A right hand to the chest of Bute would be a good idea too, shock him; take his breath for a moment, make him uncomftorble in strange surroundings. In terms of Bute's body work, Froch should shoot his straight punches with his elbows tucked in, otherwise he is too exposed. If Bute gets too close, grab him. The referee will break you and restore your advantage with distance.

    Froch is in Nottingham, so close rounds are not going to be a bad thing for him, do not go gung ho in the last thirty seconds, it's an un-needed risk.

    Press the action later. Froch is an offensive fighter, it's his bread and butter, educated preassure is key, show the judges you are the aggressor, you want to take the title from the Champion, this is your house, you are king here. feint to the body and come upstairs to the head, scoring shots whilst remaining responsible with your own foot movements and head movements.

    The crowd don't matter, you're in a do or die situation. Follow the game plan, trust your initiative and don't go getting caught when you don't need too just to impress spectators. Discipline, tactical knowlege and range is where Froch could win this fight.

    (Just an estimate, I wouldn't bank on the above)
     
  2. CloudManZ

    CloudManZ Guest

    :lol:.. You know I don't see you as a Frochtard, maybe a lost sheep (loll kidding mate). Seriously, I didn't mean to be an ass with Froch fans, only the "one liner posters" as I call them.

    It sucks Sabsman was faster than me, I wanted to have an avatar bet with you PTF, as you're the only one I "know" and have fun with. You know any Froch fan who's as cool as you who would want to bet with me? I don't take this much seriously like others, but I think it would be fun! :)

    BTW, you're right guys about Badlok, he's hell of a nice guy, I wonder what's happenning with him, he's not posting on french forums anymore either. I hope we'll see him again soon!
     
  3. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    19,192
    6
    Oct 18, 2011
    I would recommend SJS to anyone mate,but I think he's been claimed.:-(
    Young Tyler is cool,but I can't promise these youngsters won't be ruthless with you.:scaredas:
    Let me have a think.:good
     
  4. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,479
    14
    Jun 13, 2011
    Fight Fan MTL will have 3 months of this...

    This content is protected
     
  5. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    19,192
    6
    Oct 18, 2011
    Is that it?:huh
    Going soft mate.:-(
     
  6. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,479
    14
    Jun 13, 2011
    I like the guy :oops: (The poster, not the odd looking dude in speedos:blood)
     
  7. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    19,192
    6
    Oct 18, 2011
    So I see!:rofl
     
  8. CloudManZ

    CloudManZ Guest

    SJS, come on, even I think it's too soft! You can find something better, pretty sure about that!
     
  9. sabsman

    sabsman Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,884
    0
    Mar 30, 2011
    :lol:
     
  10. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    22,479
    14
    Jun 13, 2011
    But me and MTL are officially friends :-(

    Help if I had photoshop :twisted:

    It will be my head on something or someones body :think Ideas and suggestions welcomed and encouraged...

    (Been up since 5am, so the noggin if fried)
     
  11. sabsman

    sabsman Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,884
    0
    Mar 30, 2011
    PTF still no confirmation from you... you want the bet? i guess my word play did not fire u up.

    sorry just read your message... im so confident that ill leave final word as to the rules of engagement
     
  12. Tyler-Durden

    Tyler-Durden Boxing Junkie banned

    11,190
    1
    Mar 24, 2010
    I agree with you dude. This fight is definitley going to the distance. People tend to underrate Lucian's chin, I think his chin is OK.

    :hat
     
  13. Tyler-Durden

    Tyler-Durden Boxing Junkie banned

    11,190
    1
    Mar 24, 2010
    :clap::clap::clap:

    Would read again.
     
  14. persianprince

    persianprince Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,890
    120
    Mar 29, 2011
    Fight fans! Froch vs. Bute is coming to @EPIXsports Saturday, May 26th! - Showtime are insane and dump as ****. Potential FOTY
     
  15. Hook!

    Hook! Proud member of team G. Full Member

    9,463
    1
    Jun 25, 2011
    if carl wins will he get a rematch against andre?