Zab Judah vs. Jose Luis Ramirez

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Russell, Apr 2, 2008.


  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lets say Zab replaces Whitaker.

    How's he do in his absolute prime?
     
  2. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If we're talking p4p, I like Ramirez by stoppage in the championship rounds.

    Ramirez was troubled by lateral movement, and no doubt Judah will give him trouble early and may even have Ramirez on the verge of going at some point, but as per usual Zab will lose concentration, decide to stand in front of Ramirez, and Ramirez will find that rib cage and rattle it.

    Ramirez will apply enourmous pressure in the second half of the fight and whilst Zab will fire back bravely in patches, he will be overwhelmed and ultimately drowned sometime in the last couple of rounds.
     
  3. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ray Mancini and Hector Camacho beat him so easily, hes overrated.
     
  4. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe he is. But whilst he was losing to Mancini and Camacho, Judah was losing to Baldomir and going life and death with a 38 year old Rafael Pineda. Ramirez would never lose to a Baldomir level fighter, or get pushed all the way by a washed up Pineda, whereas I think Zudah loses to Mancini and Camacho as well.
     
  5. ThinBlack

    ThinBlack Boxing Addict banned

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    Zab would start off strong early, but end up like Rosario did in the second fight, only four to five rounds later, being stopped by Ramirez.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    If Ramirez moves up to 140 or 147? Judah was an enigma who had a very high potential, pre-Tyszu he had not only speed, power, reactions, but the of workrate, combinations. Post Tyszu he was either trying to be a stylist or trying to be Mike Tyson. When he got hurt he started to shell up, he was also more and more of a front runner who didn't want to throw as his career progressed

    Judah with the right brain and the right trainer early on in his career would be an ATG. I also think think beating up on a smaller pure boxer would really suit him at his best
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I agree with this. Great matchup. Should be an easy fight for Zab but JLR's relentless pressure (and sturdy chin) will likely overwhelm him eventually. Might be able to bank enough early rounds and hold on for a narrow decision though.
     
  8. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Zab would probably build up a lead, then blown it late and lose. Judah wasn't a fraction as good as Whitaker and Camacho.
     
  9. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    While Ramirez is the more accomplished of the two, he never did much at 140 lbs. I think Judah could out slick the ponderous Ramirez for a UD
     
  10. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is how I see it playing out, as well.
     
  11. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Wow, blast from the past. I actually think this is a decent match-up (and more interesting than the usual regurgitated garbage that pollutes Classic now and again) as opposed to some silly **** fantasy fight I thought up 7 years ago and now look back at with shame :lol: