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Leonard says he, Hearns would KO Mayweather, Pacquiao

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ironchamp Boxing Addict Full Member

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I find it hard to disagree.

I would put Tommy Hearns and Sugar Ray Leonard as solid favorites over both Mayweather and Paquiao. They would both be live underdogs but smart money is on the 80s guys.

I think Floyd would be more competitive with SRL than he would be with Hearns.
I think Pac would be more competitive with Hearns than he would be with SRL.

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Well, great bigger guys vs great smaller ones. It's to be expected I think. Floyd wouldn't be easy for anyone to KO unless they caught him in the first 3 or 4 rounds.

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Outboxer said: ↑

Hearns is a nightmare for Floyd. The reach, the speed, the power, the jab, the general boxing ability...if you were to fashion a fighter perfectly suited to beating Floyd, you would probably come out with something like Hearns. Floyd won't be able to outbox him on the outside, and if he tries to walk him down he'll be walking right into fast power shots. His defence and general ability will keep him competitive, but he's not winning this one. He loses on points, unless he gets hit with a real bomb.

Pac is also facing a monster in Hearns, but I think his style is actually more effective for this fight. He has power, speed, aggression, constant combinations and the southpaw stance to add extra awkwardness. It's likely that Hearns KO's him due to Pac's lack of defence and recklessness, but I could also imagine Pac hurting Hearns. Gotta go with Hearns, though. He'll probably win via KO.

Mayweather vs Leonard would be more competitive than the Mayweather vs Hearns bout. In the first few rounds Leonard will struggle to get through his defence, and will probably miss a fair amount. Floyd will hit him with some good single shots here and there, but not enough to discourage Leonard. In the middle of the fight Leonard will become more aggressive, using his quick feet and hands (plus the jab) to back Mayweather to the ropes before unleashing combinations. Mayweather will feel the urgency and start throwing combinations of his own, but this might get him caught. At some point Leonard will hurt Mayweather. Leonard will either get a late stoppage or a points victory. Probably the latter.

Pac vs Leonard...would be entertaining. Both guys are fast combination punchers. I think Pac would hit Leonard with good shots, but his aggression will probably get him stopped again in this one, as Leonard has power of his own, and the boxing skill to counter Pac and make him look bad. His footwork around the ring in particular will drive Pac crazy, if Leonard chooses to use it. Either way, he wins.

I think Mayweather and Pac have a better shot against Duran and Benitez.
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pejevan said: ↑

Where would you rank Hagler then?
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Hagler is a MW, so it's different. At MW Hagler has to make anyone's top 3, I would rank him number 2 H2H only behind Sugar Ray Robinson.

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oibighead said: ↑

Call me a *****, but i genuinely believe it is Arum that has stopped the fight happening from day one

Even Ariza has said on his twitter it is Arum 100% stopping the fight

I reckon Both Pac and Floyd are game to fight.

Arum just dosnt want to lose the revenue he gets from pac. If They had fought from the first negations and Pac had lost, Arum wouldn't have been able to make the money that he has made. Obviously pac would still be a huge draw and make millions, but not at the scale that he has done. As if he would still be able to fill the cowboy stadium fighting clottey.

The Mayweather camp obviously think Pac cheats in his training camps to gain an advantage and Arum has spun that suspicion very successfully to say Mayweather is scared.

Arum has been in the game alot longer than Mayweathers promotors and has used all his experience wisley
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Hearns is a nightmare for Floyd. The reach, the speed, the power, the jab, the general boxing ability...if you were to fashion a fighter perfectly suited to beating Floyd, you would probably come out with something like Hearns. Floyd won't be able to outbox him on the outside, and if he tries to walk him down he'll be walking right into fast power shots. His defence and general ability will keep him competitive, but he's not winning this one. He loses on points, unless he gets hit with a real bomb.

Pac is also facing a monster in Hearns, but I think his style is actually more effective for this fight. He has power, speed, aggression, constant combinations and the southpaw stance to add extra awkwardness. It's likely that Hearns KO's him due to Pac's lack of defence and recklessness, but I could also imagine Pac hurting Hearns. Gotta go with Hearns, though. He'll probably win via KO.

Mayweather vs Leonard would be more competitive than the Mayweather vs Hearns bout. In the first few rounds Leonard will struggle to get through his defence, and will probably miss a fair amount. Floyd will hit him with some good single shots here and there, but not enough to discourage Leonard. In the middle of the fight Leonard will become more aggressive, using his quick feet and hands (plus the jab) to back Mayweather to the ropes before unleashing combinations. Mayweather will feel the urgency and start throwing combinations of his own, but this might get him caught. At some point Leonard will hurt Mayweather. Leonard will either get a late stoppage or a points victory. Probably the latter.

Pac vs Leonard...would be entertaining. Both guys are fast combination punchers. I think Pac would hit Leonard with good shots, but his aggression will probably get him stopped again in this one, as Leonard has power of his own, and the boxing skill to counter Pac and make him look bad. His footwork around the ring in particular will drive Pac crazy, if Leonard chooses to use it. Either way, he wins.

I think Mayweather and Pac have a better shot against Duran and Benitez.
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I agree with everything you said except Pac hurting Hearns. Pac has hurt who at WW today to make you think he could hurt Hearns who was a monster at that weight. SRL hurt and stopped Hearns at that weight, but it was due to fatigue. I don't see any other verdict, but a KO win for Hearns within six rounds. Hearns speed, power and more importantly his reach would be Pac's demise.

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MAG1965 said: ↑

he was outpunching him. Boxing has to do with punching. If a guy is outboxing someone I would guarantee he is winning the punchstat. Tommy got tired in round 13. Everyone talks about Angelo and "your blowing it son your blowing it" but Tommy was exhausted and when Ray hit him Tommy was hit by a punch which he would have moved away from in rounds 8-12. But sure it made Ray look like he cut the ring off and got to Tommy when Angelo inspired him. Ray had 6 rounds previous to that to do that and he couldn't, and his eye was swelling. Tommy was building momentum but getting tired. He came in 145 and 15 rounds was too much. He never went that distance before.
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I also believe he was out boxing SRL and was indeed getting tired. Dundee and SRL knew Hearns never went the 15 round distance, but due to heart and determination and the fact that Dundee empowered SRL with the "Your blowing it son statement". SRL delivered like so many other fighters should be doing when their trainers give them good advice. Hearns just needed to stay on his feet and he would have won. I remember that fight like it was yesterday. Damn, people in Detriot lost mortgages over betting on Hearns.

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MAG1965 said: ↑

who were these people who worked Hearns body and beat him so easily? Only Leonard and Hagler beat him up to 1985 out of Cuevas,Benitez,Leonard,Hagler,Duran,Hill. Wasn't that easy. The man knocked out legends Cuevas and Duran and outboxed Benitez. Later outboxing Virgil Hill. If it was so easy to reach his body everyone would have. Floyd does not have the style to get to Tommy without being hit with the right hand. The real fighters beat Hearns. A cautious fighter never beat him. Ray has great fighters to prove his reflexes. Floyd has fought old and handpicked guys.
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they would beat both.....Mayweather is a true lightweight and Manny more of a natural junir lightweight...these guys are all-time great welterweights....Its like sayiing how would Wilfredo Gomez do against Mayweather at 130...he won a belt but is at a disadvantage...dudes prime was 122................Hearns is 6'2" and has won titles as high as light heavyweight...Leonard fought guys at 168....its not any indication of how great Mayweather and Manny are

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bernie4366 said: ↑

Don't be a **** man. Facts are facts, Tommy was far from bulletproof. Believe it or not, he usually doesn't make top 10 in ATG ww lists. If u don't believe me google it and don't argue with me, argue with ring magazine.
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Oscar owns the Ring Magazine. Is Oscar the number one all time WW? Just joking, but I seriously can't see how Hearns cannot make the top ten WW of all time.

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pugilistspecialist said: ↑

they would beat both.....Mayweather is a true lightweight and Manny more of a natural junir lightweight...these guys are all-time great welterweights....Its like sayiing how would Wilfredo Gomez do against Mayweather at 130...he won a belt but is at a disadvantage...dudes prime was 122................Hearns is 6'2" and has won titles as high as light heavyweight...Leonard fought guys at 168....its not any indication of how great Mayweather and Manny are
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Oscar owns the Ring Magazine. Is Oscar the number one all time WW? Just joking, but I seriously can't see how Hearns cannot make the top ten WW of all time.
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There is an argument that Hearns doesn't make the all time WW top 10. His resume at WW is not as good as it could of been. It could be argued that he needed the SRL fight.

H2H he's in the top 3 no doubt, but if a list is compiled on resume then there is doubt

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Leonard would struggle with Mayeather....he would be the most elusive fighter and best counterpuncher he has faced...also they are relatively the same height give or take an inch...Leonard struggled with Benitez who hardlt trained and was a defensive specialist, he wouldnt kayo Leonard.....if he tried to box Mayweather he probably would win a close compeitive fight or a close loss.......if he fights Mayweather like he did Hearns in the 2nd half of their first fight...he wins 8-4 or decision

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pugilistspecialist said: ↑

Leonard would struggle with Mayeather....he would be the most elusive fighter and best counterpuncher he has faced...also they are relatively the same height give or take an inch...Leonard struggled with Benitez who hardlt trained and was a defensive specialist, he wouldnt kayo Leonard.....if he tried to box Mayweather he probably would win a close compeitive fight or a close loss.......if he fights Mayweather like he did Hearns in the 2nd half of their first fight...he wins 8-4 or decision
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Every fighter struggles with Mayweather to a degree because of his defense and speed, but Leonard would be two inches taller, as well as physically bigger, with two inches more reach, just as fast, with much more power (one of the greatest closers to ever fight), much higher workrate, and an atg chin and heart. Watch the Benitez fight again. The reality is that SRL beat Benitez' ass. Floyd is an ATG 130-135 fighter, but seriously, at 147, he gets his ass handed to him by Leonard and especially 6'1" Hearns.

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Both much bigger men. Leonard had power in both hands and a solid chin. I dont think either of todays greats could hurt him.

Hearns would probably stop Manny and possibly even Mayweather.
Leonard would probably stop Pacman and UD Mayweather.

Mayweather and Pacman would definitely be fighting of the backfoot all night I think.

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