Dempsey's take on the non-fight with Wills

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Originally Posted by Bummy Davis View Post
Not very nice PP, I do not like it when an elder gets insulted,especially someone as smart,experienced and courteous as Burt....I know this is all cyber talk but if we were all present in one room I may have to convince you the value of respect of the elders. I am in my 50's but can still KO a man with either hand and when I am unable as time goes buy I think I will still be able to swing a bat to the pleasant sound of crackling bones and I think Burt can do the same....be nice PP






[quote Power Puncher]No offense but at you've age gone past the male manopause where you've no longer producing adequate levels of testosterone and have hence become a physical weakling with no stamina, so you can't really fight or anything anymore and probably have arthritis
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[quote Power Puncher] It sounds like you're getting angry because you can no longer maintain an erection. Elders aren't about being the a butt of a joke as much as anyone.[/quote]





First of all I am still a young 50+ but I have always been a pretty hard puncher and could break bones in any spot I hit (orbital,ribs,noses,collar bones,etc but that may just be genetics...as far as my lower extremities they work very fine and still able to satisfy the opposite sex but I wonder why a MAN or boy would be interested in another mans private parts and how they work....I think I am getting a better picture of the type of guy you are by your fixations.

 

Originally Posted by Pachilles

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Burt often denigrates and dismisses our era, we are not even men anymore, according to Burt. This is often unprovoked.

He slates our generation at every opportunity. And when his generation is called into question, we are met with a frothing at the mouth response labelling us all reverse racists and no-nothings.

Should an attack be thrown on him, an accusation of bias for example, then he turns into the victim. And threatens to leave like a prima donna, knowing that the rim licking brigade will be up his ass in 10 seconds flat proclaiming him a demi god and begging him to stay.





[quote He grant]You write this as if you can't separate apples from oranges ... nice embarrassing speech ... go work out your problems with your parents ... :nut
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LOL:good

 

sometimes it is better to stay quiet and be a mystery than to open your mouth and show your value and worth and in your case your youth and limited intelligence.

 

See my previous posts on it... no need to repeat it here.

Again, Dempsey admitted drawing the color line. One can only go so far to excuse him based on the "he was a product of his times" excuse. As a matter of fact, one need only go so far as Greb.

 

People seem to have the idea that the champion should engage in a moral crusade, to ensure that the best challengers get the chance to take his title off him.

In practice the most principled champion, would probably feel that once he had offered his top challenger some sort of title shot, he had met his obligations in the matter.

 

Depends what time you are talking about.

New York Times, July 6, 1919 -- page 20

JACK DEMPSEY, NEW HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION, ANNOUNCES HE WILL DRAW THE COLOR LINE

Dempsey Will Meet Only White Boxers

Toledo, Ohio, July 5--In the first public statement since becoming the heavyweight champion of the world, Jack Dempsey announced today that he would draw the color line. He will pay no attention to negro challengers, but will defend his title against any white heavyweight as the occasion demands.

(Later in the article)

His statement that he has drawn the color line means that Jack will pay no attention to any challenges which might come from Harry Wills, who is just now the king-pin of the black heavyweights. Next spring it is not improbable that Dempsey will be matched to fight Georges Carpentier, the French heavyweight, or Jim Beckett, the new English champion.
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At this point, it isn't the politicians, but Dempsey himself who is drawing the color line.

But public criticism caused him to eventually backtrack to some extent by 1923, though Wills still didn't get a shot. Then came this incident in August of 1925:
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Time Magazine 8-17-1925

Jack Dempsey was introduced from the ring at the opening of Olympic Stadium in Los Angeles. Booing thundered from the topmost rim of the amphitheatre, mixed with a chant of "Bring on Wills." Dempsey turned the color of an embarressed orchid and crept back to his seat.
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After this event, Dempsey does seem to have honestly looked into having a fight with Wills. In the early twenties, when Wills had the best shot, Dempsey hid behind the color line.

Was Dempsey on the level? He signed for a fight, but the money paid was paid to the challenger, an odd turn of events.

 

ducked is a loaded term but in the end, dempsey did not fight two of, possibly THE two, most viable challengers of his time. the specifics aside, fair or not, that will always haunt him

 

"If he avoided Wills, why would he sign a contract to fight him?"

To fool people. We just don't know if Dempsey or someone in the Dempsey camp had put out feelers to the powers that be in Indiana and knew that this fight would be aborted before it ever got off the ground. This sort of sneaky politics is not unknown.

Sort of like William Muldoon being for a Dempsey-Wills fight but then throwing up a roadblock by suddenly raising an issue about ticket prices. Cynics might wonder about his real motive.

 

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