How I would prepare Cotto to fight Mayweather. (Technical thread)

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  1. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Terrific thread, and I'm not certain if I can contribute too much to it.

    But, since the key for Cotto is to find a way to nullify Mayweather's advantage in terms of speed and skill, one idea that might be worth considering is to feint the jab to the head, and then shoot a jab and straight right to PBF's chest. I think the key for Cotto is to find a way to connect somewhere on Mayweather, because if he doesn't then he's getting countered into a state of oblivion.

    So, I think he's got to focus his attack downstairs, since it's an easier target to hit. It's easier said than done, of course, because Mayweather is almost certainly anticipating this. But he's not gonna win without establishing the body attack, so the attempt has to be made.

    One thing that was mentioned only was the idea of Cotto turning southpaw. That actually might be something to consider...when he's at close range. As Hendo said, it allows him to give May a different angle and another look, and might give him a better chance to get business done with his left.

    Either way, it's going to be an aesthetically pleasing fight to watch no matter what strategy is attempted. I think that's something we all can agree on, at any rate.
     
  2. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You contributed very well :good All ideas and opinions are more than valid buddy.

    Throwing to the chest is a good idea, I love the effect it has on fighters and it's almost a forgotten art today. I didn't mention it because of Mayweather's guard, where he angles his body behind his shoulder. To hit him in the chest, you must first find a way of squaring him up, which is no easy task.

    I neglected to mention Cotto turning Southpaw because if he does do that then the angle changes and favours Mayweather's right hand, which he now uses much more than the left hook. I'd want Cotto to stay comftorble defensively, and not open himself up to Mayweathers lead punch. You guys may have different ideas to me :good
     
  3. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    General forum needs to talk more BOXING
     
  4. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    This is the same gameplan you highlighted in a different thread, correct? Looked good there and looks good here man. I think Pedro is of a similar mentality, if you read his quotes and notice the intensity of their training.

    I updated my last thread based on the impression Floyd's sparring video left on me. It's just sparring, of course, but it was a good look into how Floyd is looking and a reminder of what he does well. Take a look!
     
  5. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If I'm ever in New York, we're Boxing :bbb

    I just bumped this and another thread or two, to get the discussion back to Boxing matters buddy, rather than who follows who on twitter :patsch
     
  6. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    For sure! :bbb

    And we both know the forum needs more of this. Hopefully involving some posters in the training and classic will encourage more of this kind of conversation, spread knowledge and ideas, and then see it reflected in more quality posts. Too many people obsess over useless things, or repeat exaggerated axioms they hear other people say. "X has no defense." "Z has no right hand. None." "Y is just too good a boxer, too smart." Keep it up!:good
     
  7. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    3 points I have questions about

    1. Cotto has a weak right hand

    2. Cotto has mediocre to poor footwork

    3. How is Cotto Physically weaker than Floyd at 154?
     
  8. Leon

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    When you can outmuscle Shane Mosley the way Floyd did, you're pretty strong. If they happen to get into any clinches Floyd is a veteran at it, Cotto(e) just learned about it during his last daycare session. He used it to some effect, but let's be honest it was against margarito(e). Azteca warrior margo(e) doesn't understand clinches worth ****.
     
  9. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cotto's footwork is much improved, not elite; but in no way poor.

    Cotto's right hand is also vastly improved, the benefit of surgery and working with Steward. (Have you watched a recent Cotto fight?)

    Mayweather will be stronger. Neither is a true 154lbs guy. In 08 I believe Cotto to of been the stronger man, but not now. Mayweather has worked on his physical strength.
     
  10. bballchump11

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  11. Tempzzzz!

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    if cotto starts getting schooled do you think mentally he will fold? i mean he has been beat up before but never schooled.
     
  12. Chex31

    Chex31 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wow, what a strange thread! Not use to reading quality threads on ESB.
    Great posts in here
    :thumbsup
     
  13. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You mean technically out classed? Probably not. It's physical punishment which forces him to fold. I expect Mayweather to raise his high guard sooner of later; and walk Cotto down. With 8oz gloves we may see a corner stoppage very late on.
     
  14. Tempzzzz!

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    Yeah, i understand what you're saying mate but like against pacman he was getting beat up but when he threw he landed a fair bit, i suppose cotto will be determined. my gut instinct was corner stoppage after the 11th
     
  15. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    That is a shitty assessment.

    You are actually planning to fight Gayweather at a distance???????

    Really????????

    Gayweather thrives in those kind of fights. he is bothered being crowded. When a fighter tries to be cute against him,he is virtually untouchable.

    So ****, you don't know what you are talking about.

    For Cotto to win, or have a chanceto win, he should be crowding Gayweather, for several tactical reasons :

    1. A pitterpatter puncher losses even more leverage, thus his punches would become less effective.

    2. Mayweather would employ his shoulder roll, but is actually a predictable stance as an offensive stance, because the upright arm is always the
    one tha would be throwing either an overhand 990 percent of the time) or a crossor astraight. There is no way that that cross arm would be effective in terms of positioning,let alone power.

    To negate further that couner, a clinch after throwing a punch solves that.

    3. Gayweather tends to be less productive being crowded. Even Ricky hatton had succes, and could have been more successfull if Cortez was not double-teaming him.

    So ****, Why would Cotto fight at a distance? he is slower, shorter reach, and actually is basically a one-handed fighter..

    You might be able to teach someone to throw a jab but honestly, you suck in strategy.