If 14 year old Tony Ayala had sparred with Duran instead of Cuevas....

Easy there Bloody Rooster,,,,,

I said Tony Ayala Jr. was an excellent talent,,,,,,,,,,,in the ring....:deal

Anyone with boxing knowledge would be foolish to say he wasn't talented.

And if he continued with his profession, he would have undoubtedly
become a Junior-Middleweight Champion.

 

Spurious! And the penultimate statement extremely unfair, he showed very little ability.

 

Flea Man,,,,,,,

Don't be a 'mosquito',,,,,,,

The kid did go 140-7 as an amateur.
And undefeated in 10-years.
Won '2' National Junior Olympic Titles (156 lbs.) {1977 and 1978}
Won National Golden Gloves Title (165 lbs.) {1979}

He can't be without 'some talent'.

 

I go with my eyes pal.

 

It's not impossible he went to San Antonio. You're taking a blind stab at potential reasons. Nobody said he travelled there to spar a kid, the story goes it took quite some banter for him to allowed to spar Cuevas at all. He certainly wasn't there for tony as such.

Tony Padilla had this to say apparently

 

John Thomas,,,

A 14 1/2 year old kid,,,,,,,,who wasn't even old enough to compete in
the Golden Gloves, sparring with Pipino Cuevas.

Tony Padilla,,,,,,,,,,,,a fight promoter,,,,,,,,,,,,would never fabricate a story.

It would be one thing if Pipino was in training in San Antonio, but he was in
Los Angeles during that time frame.

Tony Padilla never gave a date of this supposed sparring session.

 

I honestly can't take Rooster seriously... Duran destroys Ayala and makes him become even less important than he already has become

 

Tony Ayala Jr. did have more than enough skills to remain a Top 10 Junior-Middleweight
for awhile.

Still would have liked to see him against;
James 'Hard Rock' Green
Tony Braxton
Clint Jackson
Earl Hargove
Nino Gonzalez

At least '2' of them, to validate his high ranking.

 

Weir would've been better IMO.

 

Well then you can't take Leon SPinks seiously when he beat ALi with only 7 pro fights, which is less than what Ayala had. But he still beat him and in a 15 round fight which makes it that much more impressive. Not only that but I had a difficult time trying to give Ali any rounds

Whom had Leon fought just to qualify for a title shot?

Foreman destroyed Frazier. Which fighter had the more impressive resume and whose resume looked like crap?

Same with Richard Sandoval who up till upsetting four year titlist Jeff Chandler, had only two wins over mere prospect Harold Petty

You're just repeating yourself and adding nothing new. if you can't address my points then maybe you shouldnt be taken seriously

 

Yeah but none of those look as shitty as Ayala did.

 

You're not making ANY points though. I will play a little for now...

First, Ali was WELL past it when Leon beat him.. not close to where Duran was. Correct? I'm not sure why I have to address such terrible examples

Second, just because you can name a few fighters that weren't prominent at the time and beat more experience good fighters.... doesn't mean that NOW those are the rule... No, they are still exceptions to the rule. Just like in any other sport there will be anomolies, but that doesn't mean we give such rare occurances the majority, in fact, we make them the underdog. You're doing the opposite and making them the favorite.

Third, please list for me the "skills" you think that Ayala possessed that were superior to Duran... cause the way I count them... Duran has him crushed in skills, tools and virtually everything. Plus did I mention how this is a fight between a MAN and a BOY?

Fourth, not only are you having to make great leaps to figure out a way Ayala beats duran.. you're doing so WITH NO EVIDENCE. The first type of case building. It's all conjecture. You can say he had a better beard.. better power... better speed.. yet he NEVER PROVED THESE qualities against world class foes.. ****.. he never proved them against good foes... Yet, you act like they are facts submitted into evidence, when in fact they are conjecture. Duran has facts in evidence, not the other way around.

 

I already gave them and besides, did not kirkland Laing give Duran a boxing lesson?

I hadnt even HEARD of KL leading up to that fight but here he was kicking butt

You think I have no reason to think Ayala couldnt do the same?

Like I said before, Tony was younger, and natrually bigger. that meant he had the superior stamina

don't deny it. i've seen Duran tire in the Simms fight. Plus that dreadful, lethargic fight against not much Benitez. How's he going to stand up to a fierce tiger like Tony? To keep telling yourself that he would is just delusional

and he'd kick that Kudo Masashi all over the place for a 5 rd tko

 

Roberto Duran vs. Tony Ayala Jr. (Late-1981)

If you want to see what Tony Ayala Jr. would look like versus Roberto Duran.

Check out the August 9, 1981 bout with Roberto Duran versus Nino Gonzalez.

A fairly good scrap, with Roberto getting the better of a tough-kid (22 year-old).

Nino at 5' 8", had a similar style to Tony Ayala Jr. Maybe not as much power,
but his boxing skills and defense were equal to Ayala's.

Nino had one thing on Ayala at that time, he had never been floored or seriously
hurt in a bout.

Gonzalez, had compiled a record of 24-1-0 (13 KO's), and did beat a bunch of
decent journeyman. Only loss, a close decision to Steve Delgado, a loss that
he later reversed by KO'ing Delgado in a rematch.

Both Nino Gonzalez and Tony Ayala Jr. were based out of New Jersey, and both had
sparred with the same group of gym sparring partners.