Del La Hoya at 154 (Mayweather fight) VS. Margarito ( 1st Cotto fight) ?

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  1. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've recently watched both fights again today and I remembered the buzz from people wanting to see Hoya take on the winner of the cotto v margarito match up.

    Many people claimed that Oscar went back on his word and ducked a potential margarito fight. But how would that fight have played out at 154?

    In my opinion there is no way Margarito could have stopped De La Hoya, his chin was simply to good for that.

    I then began to focus on the Jab, Oscar managed to land with some success on floyd for the first part of the fight, until floyd made the appropriate adjustments.

    This jab would be key to neutralising margarito onslaught and would be landed on a much higher percentage against the slower and less technically sound margarito.

    Looking at Oscar resume however, he hasn't fought a lot of mexican opposition, the most notable on his resume being Chavez and Vargas(Mexican heritage I believe). Could Margo have given Oscar a look he hadn't seen before? I seriously doubt it.

    What is your verdict on the likely outcome of this fight, if it had taken place?
     
  2. TheLockerRoom

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    Awkward one.

    The proven method to beat Margarito is to either turn him constantly and keep him off balance, at an angle (Ala Pacquaio, Cotto 2) or to tie him up, force him backwards and power box him.

    That version of ODLH had lost his foot speed really, alot of that mobility. He also wasn't as powerful as Shane was in my view in terms of muscle. Then again I'd have to favour Oscar, just because he was the much much better boxer, and had a solid chin as you mentioned.
     
  3. jab-jab-grab

    jab-jab-grab Huggy Bear Full Member

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    What waste of time and what a stupid thread no offence but Tony had bricks in his glove the **** was cheating in the worse possible way and even with the cement glove Oscar would of boxed the **** out of him similar to when he beat Mayorga Tony is a ****ing bum who only got as far as he did cos of his granite chin and rock gloves the ****ing rat should be in prison makes me sick:fire
     
  4. jab-jab-grab

    jab-jab-grab Huggy Bear Full Member

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    What waste of time and what a stupid thread no offence but Tony had bricks in his glove the **** was cheating in the worse possible way and even with the cement glove Oscar would of boxed the **** out of him similar to when he beat Mayorga Tony is a ****ing bum who only got as far as he did cos of his granite chin and rock gloves the ****ing rat should be in prison makes me sick:fire
     
  5. Bladegunner

    Bladegunner Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Here I believe lies to common misconception. Yes a past prime De La Hoya has lost his foot speed, this is amplified in his fights against Floyd and Pac. Yet what we must take into consideration is the speed of the two guys he was up against. These are two fighters who prime for prime could be argued to be just as fast or faster than Oscar ever was.

    If we look at Mosley for example during the mayweather fight, it was highlighted that Mosley looked slow compared to the much faster Mayweather, yet against Margarito, Shane looked so much faster. This is because of the static nature a guy like margarito presents to his opponent.

    Therefore I believe that the loss of foot speed, wouldn't be as evident against a guy like margarito as it would do against an opponent like mayweather or pac. I would go one step further and say Del La Hoya would probably look as quick as he has in a long time.
     
  6. TheLockerRoom

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    Very good point.

    I'd argue that Shane's feet didn't look overly quick with Margo, his hands yes; but that's totally different to foot speed.

    As far as Oscar, he wasn't overly quick on his feet with Ricardo Mayorga, though that may be out of design as he fought in the pocket and used lateral movement.
     
  7. Bladegunner

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    Hardly a stupid thread when there was a vast amount of people claiming Oscar had ducked Margarito and was running scared because of the beating he dished out to an undefeated prime Cotto.
     
  8. Bladegunner

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    Agreed, Oscar entered that fight wanted to trade with Mayorga, looking at the 1st round of that fight he totally outfought and bullied mayorga at his own game, practically laying out the pattern for the rest of the fight.
     
  9. sbbigmike

    sbbigmike Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oscar of that time would demolish both Cotto and Margaritio, though i do admit ODH would never fight those fighters because their body work, and his inability to take body shots near the later stages of his career, if you disected his latter fights you would see this, even against Mayweather, ODH would throw flurries and combos but as soon as Mayweather touch him in the stomach he backed up, and regroup, the same with the Pacquiao fight.

    Cotto and Margarito would both present problems later in the fight for Oscar, but people can't seem to understand he was in a different stratosphere from them 2, I believe he would spark both of them early before any issues arrive ala the Iron chinned Mayorga, simply too much power, and way too much speed for both
     
  10. jab-jab-grab

    jab-jab-grab Huggy Bear Full Member

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    Are you blinded by your love for the cheating low life scum bag Tony he was a cheat he had cement in his gloves its fact been proven what has he done since apart from get the **** beaten out of him by everyone he's faced the guy has zero skills his resume should be classed as void since he's a born cheat I mean look at the difference between the 1st and 2nd cotto fight without the cement he has feather fists he's a con artist whos luck run out like I said he should be rotting in prison while being raped by a big fat hairy Turk anyway to answer ur stupid thread Oscar by 12 round beatdown
     
  11. TheLockerRoom

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    Lampley put it very well.

    Fighting Mayorga, means you have to go into the blades of a Heli-Copter. If you manage to avoid the blades then the body of the Chopper is right there for the taking


    Thinking about it, aside from Oscar getting out worked, which doesn't seem likely given the fighters attitude that he had; there's no way that he could really lose to AM.
     
  12. sbbigmike

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    That was that hard work he put in with Sr, I wonder how not having Sr affected him vs. Mayweather and more importantly against Pacquiao, but hey we now all know Oscar was too busy dressing as strippers, and snorting coke, to go through a rigorous Mayweather camp
     
  13. Bladegunner

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    :huh
     
  14. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Difficulttoreadthatwithoutanypunctionationbutbladegunnerdoesntlikemargaritosoimnotsurewhatyouaretalkingabout
     
  15. bballchump11

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