Who's the first guy to achieve "greatness" in each division?

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    So i'm looking for the man who set the bar for greatness division by division.

    I'll give it a go and see if anyone disagrees.

    Hw: sullivan
    Cw: holyfield
    Lhw: fitz
    Smw: jones
    Mw: dempsey
    Lmw: hearns
    Ww: barbados
    Lww: locche
    Lw: mccauliffe
    Sfw: arguello
    Fw: dixon
    Sbw: gomez
    Bw: mcgovern
    Sflw: watanabe
    Flw: wilde
    Lflw: chang
    Stw: lopez

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Legend X

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    I'm not sure Fitzsimmons achieved greatness at light-heavy. Fighting as a lhw was a minor thing towards the end of his career, I think. And that title had little prestige until sometime later. I think.

    Jack McAuliffe came before Gans.

    Roy Jones Jr. was great at super-middle.

    Heavyweight there might be someone before John L. , like Jem Mace.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Who at lhw then?
    Greb?

    I'm not well versed on mcauliffe.

    I don't think jones was great at smw. Nor was mace at hw.
     
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  4. Legend X

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    Possibly Greb at lhw, possibly Jack Dillon.

    I absolutely believe Jones was great at super-middle.
    His win over Toney was world-shaking, it stood above the division - and the division was strong at the time.
     
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  5. Nightcrawler

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    luf you've been making some great threads lately. keep it up!

    and imo jones was absolutely great at 168. i can see the argument against it based on resume, longevity, etc.

    however in the end he's by far the greatest/most talented fighter in the divisions history
     
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  6. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    BW - Dixon, perhaps
    SFlW - Jiro Watanabe?
     
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  7. LittleRed

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    Featherweight should either be Abe Attell or Terry McGovern.
     
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  8. lufcrazy

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    Fine! Jones it is at smw.

    Dixon at fw

    Mcgovern at bw

    Watanabe at sflw
     
    lufcrazy, Apr 14, 2012
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  9. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    jem mace was a jobber jabroni.

    the first great heavyweight was broughton, figg didn't have enough documentation on his career.
     
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  10. TheLockerRoom

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    No, Roy Jones Junior was a great fighter at SMW. He did not achive greatness at SMW! He used it as a stop over, on his way to LHW.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

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    I don't know, you know.

    He really set the standard for consistency in the division.
     
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  12. TheLockerRoom

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    I'd argue that he lacks a resume there sir. He may have the greatest win in the history of the division with Toney, but it seems silly to give this honour to a man who wasn't in the division very long.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    Well sir i'd contend that achieving such a great victory in a new division is achieving greatness.

    Like hearns over duran at lmw.
     
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  14. ThinBlack

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    How about Philadelphia Jack O'Brien for Light Heavyweight?
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    I considered him, but i'm not convinced he actually did that much at the weight.

    He was embarrassed by burns and he lost to langford and ketchel I believe.

    Can't recall from top of my head which indicates to me he wasn't great.
     
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