If 14 year old Tony Ayala had sparred with Duran instead of Cuevas....

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  1. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Awesome for the 1-4 rounds Vargas lasts.
     
  2. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, you're right. Ayala hit sooooo much harder than Tito.:patsch:patsch:patsch
     
  3. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That he sure did. :good:good:good
     
  4. Senor Pepe'

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    If 14 year-old Tony Ayala Jr. sparred with Roberto Duran in the Summer of 1977.

    Not sure what it would have accomplished,,,,,,,,

    It wouldn't have made the kid anything more or less. If it did happen, what
    would 2 rounds of sparring at maybe 2-minutes per round tell anybody.

    That this kid is great, and he is going to be a World Champion.

    Nobody has that kind of vision.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    Based on?!? Why are you such a deluded ****? I feel sorry for you.
     
  6. MadcapMaxie

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    Holy **** this threads still going?


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  7. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You have such a talent for projecting your own characteristics onto others. I feel sorry for you, because that seems to be the only talent you have.

    Based on?!?

    Based on objectivity and logic. Which your posts never have. You know as well as I do that Tony would always KO Duran, because the young bull has every physical advantage conceivable. Most esp. the power factor.
     
  8. big man

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    Power factor?

    What top 10 ranked fighter did Ayala KO (let alone iron chinned,defensively superb ATG's)??

    His resume is garbage in actual fact but in keeping with where he was at as a fighter. He was a prospect. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes he scored some brutal stoppages against men who were there to be stopped but so did the likes of Randall Bailey, Acelino Freitas and Sam Peter at the same stage of their respective careers.

    But funnily enough their amazing KO percentages dropped the further through the ranks they went as the quality of opponent improved and I'm certain the same would have happened with Ayala. He was simply a one trick,come forward slugger but that style holds absolutely no fears for a Duran or any elite fighter (unless you're a freak like a Marciano who was a lot more substance than fat Tony).

    If Duran had've fought Ayala instead of Davy Moore I'd bet the house on Duran breaking him down and tearing him apart just as he did to Moore and similar to he did to Cuevas in a real fight instead of sparring.

    Compare how a 37 year old Duran performed against the much bigger Iran Barkley with the 37 year old Tony Ayala's showing against Yori Boy Campas. Duran showed a defensive prowess,heart,chin, skill level and fighting prowess that was and in truth always would've been beyond Tony Ayala's comprehension.
     
  9. Senor Pepe'

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    I've been told it was Mexican Welterweight, Antonio Gin who sparred with Tony Ayala Jr. in San Antonio in August 1977.

    Antonio Gin, former Mexican Amateur Star who represented Mexico at the 1972 Olympics.
    Competed at (-60 kg), 132 lb. Lightweight Division.

    Fought at the Light-Welterweight and Welterweight level as a Professional, {1974 thru 1977}

    A style similar to Jose 'Pipino' Cuevas, but nowhere near the talent level.

    Pipino was nowhere near San Antonio in the Summer of 1977.
     
  10. PernellSweetPea

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    This solves it. It was not even Cueves!!!!!!!! I knew it!!!!!! even in sparring Cueves would land his left hook and demolish Ayala!!!!! Duran would also!!!! Other fighters win titles!!!!!!!!! Ayala sparred Antonio Gin!!!!
     
  11. laxpdx

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    Do you have an exact source(s) for everything you've said about this so far? Any info you could give would be helpful, as I'm trying to google it myself.
     
  12. CassiusClayAli

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    So this thread should be. "if 14 year old Tony Ayala had sparred with Duran instead of Antonio Gin?"
     
  13. CassiusClayAli

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    Antonio Gin? :rofl:yep
     
  14. laxpdx

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    Gin had 3 total pro-fights, all in 1974-75, and all at Light WW. Why would he need sparring partners in 1977, to train at WW, where he never fought professionally? Which exact source says Pipino was nowhere near San Antonio in the summer of 1977?

    Or is this the more subtle approach of discrediting Tony? Face it, most here will readily accept this, simply because they hate Tony. It's what they want to believe, truth or not.
     
  15. PernellSweetPea

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    Where did you find out it was Gin instead of Cueves?