Andre Ward said : "I was disappointed ......"

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  1. Fightfan of Mtl

    Fightfan of Mtl Bad Intentions Full Member

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    The thing is that, if Bute were to «loose» his belt in Nottingham, there would be a second fight in Montreal. Other than that, the second fight won't happend. If he wins without a doubt, he's available for a Ward fight by fall. So, it gives time for Ward to heal his hand and maybe get rid of a mandatory in June or so. Then we could find out «who the man» is at SMW.
     
  2. mark.cooper

    mark.cooper thinker Full Member

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    Actually it is NOT a two-match deal but a one match deal with a rematch clause to be activated upon Bute's request only in case of closed/controversial Froch win. Of course it makes perfect sense: if Bute wins, there will be no second Froch match, if he loses, he would have no longer a belt and he would come from a loss against Ward's last opponent so he would be in a very weak negotiation position for a possible match with Ward (besides, in the second case and with no rematch clause, it would be senseless to speak about "unification" for a Bute with no IBF belt).
    So Ward should really have no problem about that. If it'd be to speculate about Ward's reasons to be annoyed by the rematch clause, I think that for unification purposes he would clearly prefer a rematch with Froch as eventual IBF champ because he has his own win blueprint and he feels pretty safe he can't lose against him, while Bute would be a more dangerous opponent with more speed and skill for whom there would be no realistic winning strategy blueprint (waiting for him to became exhausted at the end because of anemia as in his risky Andrade I match is not a serious strategy at all, and a possible controversial home-made Froch win would not set a clear winning strategy). Therefore, the ideal scenario for Ward should be: Froch wins in Nottingham, there is no Bute rematch in Montreal (in which Bute would likely take back the belt), and he fights Froch again in an easier unification match. The rematch clause rules out this ideal run.

    Ermmmm. No, he does not have "all" the other belts; the name Stieglitz does sound familiar to you?
     
  3. FPJ

    FPJ Member Full Member

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    Dont wanna jump into any silly arguments, but you are as smart as you look :hey.
     
  4. kingmurkaveli

    kingmurkaveli Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thank u! I do come across intelligent, superficially! I look like a wizkid ya dizzigg!:tong
     
  5. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, it is. In an interview about Bute and the s6, a showtime s6 spokesman was questioned as to why Bute was not included in the original 6 and they said that Bute was considered of course, but scheduling was an issue along with Bute's contractual obligation to HBO.
    When Bute was freed of his HBO obligations, they signed him to fight as an alternate in the s6, but due to the original wording in the contracts, the remaining participants had to agree on each alternate. Interbox was not liscenced to promote outside Canada, and while they tried to get Bute in as an alternate, he was kept out by "several camps" refusal to copromote with interbox.
    I don't memorize articles, and I don't copy paste unless I link a source. I thought this was common knowledge as to why Bute did not participate in the s6 as an original or alternate.

    Now, Hearn was willing to fight in Canada where copromoting would not be an issue. But if you put 2 and 2 together, you can see who was the stalwart.
     
  6. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    He is ducking Dirrel. But how is that rascist?:huh
     
  7. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    That rematch clause is a normal thing and anyone else would do the same !

    If this fight will be close , no matter who will win, the rematch will be on, in Canada .

    In Canada (the rematch) most likely Bute will win but if his win will be into a close fight, a fight between Ward vs Bute will make sense only because of the money , imo ! ( i know that style makes fights , but if you win into a close fight against Froch ( who's a slow-open fighter ) then against a versatile-skilled fighter like Ward , what you'll do ?! .... it's just hypothetical .....

    If Bute will win in the rematch fair&square by a convincingly UD or T/K.O , then the fight between Ward vs Bute will make sense, besides of the money-draw, and as a good fight / matchup , imo !

    but then again, If Bute will win the first fight against Froch convincingly by UD or by T/K.O it won't be a Bute vs Froch rematch & Ward vs Bute will be on in octomber-november 2012 and most probably it will be and a rematch in the spring of 2013, if they will be agree on venue and money of course :).
     
  8. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Apologies if I've got this wrong,but can you clarify what you mean in the highlighted text please?
    The way it reads to me seems as if you're saying there is no blueprint for beating Bute,and Ward's only strategy thus far would be to hope Bute gassed late on.
    I'm not looking for an argument and from what I've seen,you're not prone to making outlandish statements so again,apologies if I've picked you up wrong but this seems at the very least,a tad bizarre.
     
  9. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    Most probably Bute will win in Nottingham by a convincingly UD ! Also Bute has a good chance to score a T.K.O in this fight :yep.
     
  10. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    yes, I think he was referring at Bute's exhausting problem in his first fight against Andrade as a "blueprint to beat Bute" .... but into an eventual Ward vs Bute fight , I don't think Ward will rely on this thing ( Bute's exhaust) & he (Ward) will try most probably to beat Bute by outbox him ( as Ward's strategy ) .

    Anyway Bute's not the same fighter that he was in the first Andrade fight ! He redeemed himself in that Andrade rematch winning by K.O and he learnt a lot form that first Andrade fight , not to mention that he has improved a lot now, and he's a better fighter than he was !
     
  11. mark.cooper

    mark.cooper thinker Full Member

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    As for now, there has been no working strategy for beating Bute as a pro since he is undefeated. It would be most probably fallacious to consider what happened the Andrade I fight as a possible strategy for beating him (everybody knows he was really close to losing the fight at the end of the match, so one might think "why not wait for the late rounds, when Bute should run out of fuel") because Bute gassed late due to his anemia (that is: an event very unlikely to repeat itself again), not due to a regular physical fading during the match. In other words, if Ward prepares to outbox Bute late on the fight hoping his forces will fall down, then his hope should rely also on the improbable event of Bute being anemic again for that fight, that is: a very unrealistic plan.
    Hope I explained myself better this time.
     
  12. sabsman

    sabsman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    its like talking to a 3 year old kid in his why fase. your clueless if thats the only come back you have.
     
  13. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    anyway, if Froch or Ward (hypothetical speaking) will rely on this kind of strategy "
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    " , they will have a big disappointment/failure :yep, because Bute isn't the same fighter that was in the first Andrade fight !

    I think Froch will try to use his jab more in this fight ( as his strategy ) because he has a good reach advantage and this thing will help him to stay at distance and not be countered too much by Bute; and Ward when he will fight with Bute , he will try to outbox him because he has the ability and the athleticism ( footwork and handspeed ) to do it .
    If both ( Froch and Ward ) will take as a "blueprint" that first Andrade fight , they will mislead themselves :yep !
     
  14. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    sabsman , why you continually answer to this clown-troll ! Ignore this annoying twat ! He likes to provoke people by trolling !

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  15. sabsman

    sabsman Well-Known Member Full Member

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    tried to get a logical answer to his accusations but failed, dont worry i shot and missed, dont intend on wasting any more ammo on him. :nut