How does ANYONE not know Tyson punches holes through comeback Foreman?

Your need to defend something that you say you believe is obvious, would suggest you might have at least subconscious doubts yourself...

 

Benitez was a brilliant fighter, and the fat grilling machine thing, is good, if a bit slow.

But anyway, this is not about me:

You are indulging us then with your subconscious concerns, then?

Good; acceptance is a first step...

But do not worry; Tyson would of been favourite, and probably would of won.:good

 

Another school of thought would be frustration that people actually buy into the notion that Foreman would have been all wrong for Mike.

 

There is evidence to back that notion up though. But overall that evidence is probably flawed (Tyson and Frazier although physically similarly built, all be it Tyson 15-20lbs heavier, in their pomp, were different type of fighters. Also Foreman of 73 and 91 were two different fighters as well). Even Foreman himself suggested he probably would of lost.

But nothing hypothetical in boxing is set in stone. So I think it is fair comment if someone genuinely believes Foreman could of won. I would of favoured Tyson at the time and with hindsight, but I would also concede it is not as black and white as the initial statement of MrOliverKlozoff.

 

Tyson TKO. I can't see old George going down
Tyson knew the power George had, Tyson
would use effective defense and unload
hooks and uppercuts

 

This. It's gotten out of control. And that people believe the Frank Lotierzo BS article.

 

Age would not be a factor with Foreman. It was his WEIGHT! If he was in the proper shape, things would have been different for him. He would
have stopped Holyfield. 257 pounds was just too high. Foreman would have given Tyson a hell of a time. Too bad it didn't happen. One could only guess on the outcome.

 

I agree that Foreman's weight was too high during his comeback. He would have been quicker if he had weighed 230 pounds, but he still would have lost against Holyfield and Tyson. The only thing Foreman might have troubled Tyson with was his durability; other than that, Foreman was too slow, too easy to hit, and too stationary to have even a remote chance against Tyson. Heck, Foreman couldn't even throw combinations, so his one-punch-at-a-time arsenal would have been laughed off by Tyson.

 

I just think what Alex Stewart was able to do to Big (Old and Slow) George and it sends shivers down me spine what Tyson would have done.

 

Watch Old George at 235lbs against Qawi in '88... he wasn't better lighter, in fact he was worse. In an interview on ESB he said the only way he made that weight in his comeback was by draining some water weight, & this made him angry & irritable like in his youth when he consistently did the same practice. It also reduces the cerebral fluid in the brain, likely explaining how the natural lightheavy in Qawi was able to briefly stun him. With George, when he dehydrated, he didn't rehydrate before the fight, like lower weight classes do. The Holy fight was his best form, mentally, physically & technically, Foreman was clearly highly motivated to fight Evander, & that was a surprisingly solid 257lbs, compare it how flabby he was at 250 against Moorer. Lighter doesn't always mean better conditioning.

 

I agree he was a different fighter completely in his comeback. He was always wild and open but he was definitely more patient and defensive if you want to call it that in his comeback. He had to have a lot of patience to hang in there and take the type of punishment he took fight after fight. With Holyfield, it was more Holyfield trying to make a statement and fighting stupid against Foreman, because like so many showed before and after it didnt take much to box circles around him.

 

I agree with this,in terms of Foreman lacking the defense to stop Tyson teeing-off with brutal combinations, but I do think the Holyfield war damaged Old George, & he was never that highly motivated in camp again. His swollen eye was a nasty sight, but so was the very flabby shape he was in. How about we compare his visible physique to the Holy fight version?

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