How does ANYONE not know Tyson punches holes through comeback Foreman?

Maybe, but maybe Foreman gave Holyfield a better fight than you think too.
Foreman was landing some hurtful punches throughout.

Definitely Tyson should get favoured because of Foreman's fighting at a much lower level, that's logical.

 

Not arguing that Foreman defeated men of their calibur. But if we're talking about styles and physical attributes, then the chemistry is definitely there to give Foreman a fighting chance. Again, I'd favor Tyson due to his explosive handspeed and power, but somehow I'm not ready to dismiss Foreman as being dead in the water and lying up against the ropes, getting battered early and badly as frank bruno did.

 

people should also remember that by 1991, Tyson was no longer the bobbing, weaving and jab slipping fighter who dismantled Pinklon Thomas in 1987.. He stood more upright. Had less upper body movement.. Had abandoned his combinations for single shot attacks and was more open to getting tagged.. This version of Tyson would be more vulnerable against Foreman, than the one of a few years earlier.

 

Chuvalo is the closest but still was undersized (tho certainly at least as strong) as those I listed. Bugner was huge but a total shrinking violet. And Mathis only counts if Tony Tubbs does.

 

how about george foreman of 76 being close to being a knockout victim of ron lyle that foreman would be vulnerable to being knocked out early by tyson

 

That Foreman was coming off a 15 month layoff, a devastating loss and facing a man who had just risen off the canvas to beat Earnie Shavers.. Foreman showed tremendous heart in getting up to score the knockout early. Of course by using lackluster performances to gauge how one would fair against another fighter, you could have "in theory" made a fortune betting on Foreman to crush Ali who had been previously beaten by Frazier, who Foreman destroyed...

 

ali did not luck lacklustre in the fight of the century he look amazingly good you please watch it agian magoo

 

LOL.... I've seen it many times and agree it was a great fight, but I think you're missing my point. By most people's logic at the time, Ali losing to Frazier, then Foreman destroying smokin' Joe, should have made Ali dead in the water going into that fight... Similar to your implication that Foreman struggling with Lyle would make him easy pickings for Tyson...

 

I never expected to see Larry Holmes dying against the ropes either or Mike Spinks eyes rolling back in his head. Tyson was doing some serious damage to older fighters who had slowed and Foreman would be right there standing in front of him.

 

Those were two fighters who were more or less inactive going into the ring with Tyson and had styles that were taylor made for Tyson's. Foreman of the late 80's and early 90's was fighting regularly and had the kind of style and power that was very dissimilar to Holmes and Spinks.

 

I think Tyson was capable of taking the same kind of hurtful punches. Foreman gave a respectable performance but it was pretty one sided.

Would you agree if Holyfield had power he would have had George out of there on those few occassions when he landed 6 and 7 punch combinations that had George basically defenseless? There was one round in particular where George was saved by the bell if I remember correctly?

 

If you're trying to translate this into how Tyson would fair landing the same combinations, then you should consider that Holyfield landed those combos by boxing and not trying to lunge in forward looking for a single big shot the way that Tyson was doing by 1991...

 

Tyson could still put a good slew together. He also had pretty good countering ability ala some of the Ruddock knockdowns.

Holyfield landed a lot of those shots in close quarters and in combination against George and like Tyson would put more punches together if he had his opponent hurt or reeling. I would disagree with your other quote too as fighters who retreat are far harder to catch up too, especially by a short armed pressure fighter. Most of the fighters who stood in front of Tyson took a serious beating and I dont really see how fighters like Smith or Tucker get any credit for simply smothering Tyson or tieing him up. Foreman didnt show some super ability to tie up and punch at the same time either plus he held his hands very low when he shoved guys.

 

Tony Tucker was a shrinking violet if Bugner was.
Bugner actually came to fight for once against Frazier anyway.
Bonecrusher Smith, despite his power, was as bad as Bugner generally, and even worse v.Tyson.

Ali was clearly as big as Pinklon Thomas and Holmes, and there's no reason to doubt his strength in comparison to Thomas, Tucker, Holmes, etc.

 

Bingo.