The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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  1. macho_grande

    macho_grande "I'll never get over" Full Member

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    Let me guess, Cotto is washed up to?

    ****ing jokers
     
  2. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Only idiots care about HYPE, and it could well be claimed even bigger idiots would consider FMJ as being over rated. As someone said that style of his would give nightmares to any fighter between 135 and 154 from any era. Win, lose, or draw.
     
  3. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :smoke its hard to overrate an all-time great....at his best weights 130-140 only a handful IMO(Duran, Whitaker, Pryor, Armstrong, Chavez) have a shot but the rest he beats....too big and strong and skilled for Canzoneri, Ross, and Arguello Ike Williams gives him a run for his money but dude is a G all-time
     
  4. Devildoc

    Devildoc Capo Di Tutti Capi Full Member

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    Sure is.
     
  5. zerodave

    zerodave New Member Full Member

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    I think if he shut his mouth out of the ring he'd be a truly class act. the hype is always gonna be there though when he constantly plays up to the cameras and gives the world's press and media some soundbites...

    In the ring He is a superb fighter, has very fast hands, lots of accuracy and power behind his punches, very rarely does he get hit or knocked down.

    The only fighter in the same league as him is the pac-man and you could then argue if that fight was made the winner should rightfully be called the best P4P fighter in the world and history of boxing at their weight class.
     
  6. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    This where I'm confused. Wouldn't people that practice violence and combat in their professions have well above average levels of T?
     
  7. PNoyFightFanUSN

    PNoyFightFanUSN Larry Don't Give a **** Full Member

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    it's not a conditioning thing. it's a genetics thing. just happens as you get older
     
  8. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can't they still test your levels? That's what an Endocrinologist does when they are testing you for TRT.


    You can get an exception but I do think people will find out. They tend to always find out...specifically when you put yourself in the spot-light. But is he doing it anyway and will he use the TRT argument and reasoning after his name is out there...yeah...if he is doing it. That's what the MMA guys and other athletes did but they also weren't throwing their names out their nor were they asking for increased testing. I'm not sure what USADA's take on all this would be.
    Nevada may not care but USADA...I haven't done my research on this.

    I don't know all the details of how everything is run and done. I'm not a part of that culture working on the testing and cheating the system. But they can still test for your levels.

    What a lot of athletes were doing is maximizing their levels to the peak it can be for what is allowed legally. However, some were just going over that and then trying to still use the TRT argument but it was no longer TRT when it was over the allotted allowance of a "normal male."
    Cyclist were big on this. Like a lot of guys suddenly were close to 49 mark for TBC and 1000ng/dL for total testosterone. Something like that. Enough to where it gets you near peak but won't set-off alarms. They are much better at this. I discussed it with a Endocrinologist I know that is in the research department. The Endo's brain is bigger than mine on the subject matter so I can't give you detailed analysis.
    As far as manipulating the ratios...yeah...I read that too. But I don't remember the details and didn't ask about it.
     
  9. Xerant

    Xerant Gotta Hate negociations! Full Member

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    Original thread.
     
  10. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Somewhat. Although genes has a big part on how high your levels are, food and environment also can contribute. There are lots of things that can spike your levels.

    Being in the military, being in War...is said to spike your T-levels. That's why you can have higher levels when you are constantly training as opposed to if you were sitting on your ass all your life.

    At the same time, you also have to consider those that go into such professions. It may be that the guys that go into these professions and especially those that make it to a high level, have high hormone levels. Not just an advantage from a physical perspective but Mental as well.

    Prisoners. I read an article study that measured prisoners T-levels in different facilities and they found that prisoners that committed certain crimes, "violent" crimes...had very high T-levels compared to the average person. And this was used for the argument with how much does T-levels contribute to aggression and behavior. The higher your T-levels are, you can be prone to drugs, partying, sexual behavior, violence, etc. At the same time there are advantages as well. But although high can be healthy, to high may not be a good thing.
    Some Big, Strong, Built, Crazy MFers in prison.


    O', Being around girls can spike your levels. That's why its good to get some.

    Studies continually get done so who knows.
     
  11. mrjotatp4p

    mrjotatp4p THE ONE Full Member

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    So *******s now think Floyd is cheating bc he doesn't know what it is? LMAO. Oh but Manny is clean bc he doesn't know what a basic steroid is? This **** is pure comedy. "You have to believe I am all natural" Manny P.
     
  12. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So what you're saying is that when someone who has never tested positive for any kind of PED shouldn't be accused or made to answer to those allegations?

    I agree.
     
  13. mrjotatp4p

    mrjotatp4p THE ONE Full Member

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    I bet you Floyd will do any type of testing to prove he is clean. What about Manny? :nono
     
  14. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm against what the Mayweather Clan has done to Pac as far as accusing him of PED use. It not only puts a mark on him but also his personal trainer and everyone around him responsible for getting him in condition. As well as other fighters in his camp.

    You tend to get this stuff from fans who believe All athletes are on something illegal...which really, this way of thinking, on some level, has me thinking that Floyd was sitting back thinking of his own decline and another man's rise which has left him soar.... but anyway...from someone within the Professional ranks to accuse...that's uncalled for. And, Floyd's fair game to go after. They should press the issue of Year Round Testing if he wants to put an end or "deter" athletes from using PEDs. But let's make sure we do the same with All the athletes that aren't doing it.



    If Floyd thought something suspicious, he should have went after the testing standards instead of who he felt was cheating. And get the commission on board...although I don't think he would need them because they shouldn't be the authority on the matter. Athletes who risk their health and make a career out of this are the authority.

    But again, if this video shows anything, maybe Floyd really isn't the brightest of guys in everything outside the ring.

    I wonder if the guy even knows what the tests do other than "Catch Motha-F**** Cheaters."
     
  15. lacson

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    Facial expression and tone of voice certainly showed there was something that made his heart rate go up. Then the meek reply of "i don't know what you're talking about" with a stupid looking smile was definitely not a normal Mayweather reaction.

    It's similar to someone who got caught doing something bad, it's just the same type of reply and expression.
     
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