Jeff Chandler Discussion!

If I remember right Chandler started fighting as an amatuer on a Friday and on saturday he faced Carter (not the fight you are refering to) and handled himself quite well and decided to turn pro based upon his quick progression. I love the fight with Carter....I am sure others have their own nostalgia but Philly Phighters and wars always stick with me! Based upon that outing Jeff said he always knew they would fight again, and that this time he would put on a show!

 

That great! But do you think he would have made a major impact as an amateur if he stayed another year or so in the unpaid ranks?

 

This is ESB Classic, where the more obscure can be the better challenge. Jeff was a mainstream network star, who brought the bantamweight title back to America, a national hero who epitomized Philly boxing, a compelling personality and performer who everybody knows. Stafford is more mysterious, not the vivid entity Jeff is to most classic fans.

 

I agree with your thoughts on why Stafford is drawing some interest and it does my heart good to see...I have also enjoyed seeing curtis Parker mentioned in another thread on here as well (It may even have been you that made that mention>???)...I just seldom see Chandler get much recognition, and when threads on him start many people say he was a good champ but I don't know much about him. Perhaps that is why my avatar of Ring called him the best boxer that no one knows. I just don't feel that Jeff gets anywhere near the play his contemporaries do most notably Pintor, and it is my unabashed and biased opinion that jeff clearly surpasses him!

 

How do you figure that. Pintor fought Davila, Zarate, Cruz, Gomez. He beat Zarate and Davila and fought to the death in the as great a fight as ever has been against the greatest puncher and fighter in that division. In their primes, I think Pintor caves in Jeff's ribs and stops him in 9. The Sandoval fighwas only 3 years and 4 months after winning the title. Jeff never showed the durability of Lupe and him saying gomez was scared of him is assinine. In Cali, we thought very little of Jeff and were not surprised when Richie cleaned his clock. If Richie was a harder puncher, he wins in 1. Chandler was a whiner, wdidn't like rough stuff and that is all Pintor and Gomez gave you.

 

Nah! IMPO if Jeff had started younger that might be true, but due to the fact that Jeff found a mangaer willing to take him on that spotted his talent and potential in this short time frame....I just don't don't think paitence was a part of who Jeff was. Jeff was ready the second someone believed in him, I have to believe that he would have quickly been looking for another opportunity had this one not arose.

Could he have had an impact...yes from a talent standpoint....But his personality I don't believe would allow that to come to fruition.

 

Wow....alrighty then! I won't bother to counter bash Pintor (whom I like) just because you have either little respect for Jeff or a you lack an understanding of who and what he was in the ring. Do a search on here and find that most believe Jeff decisions Pintor...that makes your assumption a minority viewpoint.

Chandler didn't like rought stuff....Does not sound like an informed opinion to me.

Other than that I will just a wish good day!

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54947

 

hey philly, not watched much chandler. where should i start? is there an essential 3 fights?

 

Where I come from (for the last 70 years watching fights) Pasadena, we saw all the best banties and are very informed. Watch the Muniz and Sandoval fights (the two best fighters he fought besides Lujan. And he lost to both)) andwatch him ***** and whine to refs of rough stuff and them tell me I'm not informed. As Ritchie said, "He was acting like he was the queen or something." -actual quote.

 

:goodwelcome to the forum. i like your style

 

You keep using this we word, are you French or do you have multiple personality disorder?

I guess like many ESB posters you have chosen his 2 poorest outings as a representitive of how he fights ;D! Muniz I was taken on 1 weeks notice a well understood point, and still lost a SD...Sandavol, Jeff had recieved a warning that he had catarcts and was advised not to take the fight due to this. During the fight he suffered a detatched retina (which he was warned about) and was never able to fight again. There are also reports that jeff's shoulder was hurt (but I did not hear about this prior to thie fight so won't make anything of it.). Perhaps another fight of his could be used to discern how he was and would do??? Hmmm, food for thought!

Its clear that you do not like Jeff, and since neither of us is likely to change the others opinion....I will again wish you a good day!

 

You tube has a few:
My personal favorite is baby kid Chocolate (although I have not found a copy yet) of those I have I would pick vs Carter
but Lujan, Murata, Muniz II and canizales would be good fights to check out.

Both Solis fights as well.

 

appreciated :good i'm making a list of fighters and fights to catch up on during vacation. definitely have to check him out

 

Curtis Parker got a lot of coverage back in the day. I believe his nationally televised debut was against David Love (where Angelo Dundee made a rare error in judgment in letting Love out for round nine, resulting in a knockout almost as soon as the bell rang to start the round), then he showed up on CBS against Mike Colbert (who displayed terrific legs and conditioning at age 30 in a torrid track meet that was Parker's all the way), and his match against Dwight Davison was in the revived premiere of Friday Night Fights on NBC, energetically introduced at the outset of the broadcast by a colorful Muhammad Ali promo. (Muhammad announced it as an unbeaten middleweights revision of himself and Frazier.) He enjoyed a great deal of exposure as an energetic performer who the networks could bank on to provide good action. Weird to see the way Mugabe wiped him out, but he still had some quality efforts remaining.

Amazing to think guys like Parker, Fletcher, Czyz, Davison, Hard Rock Green, Ramos and others couldn't even get to Hagler. Because of Marv's dominance, this has been very wrongly characterized as a weak era in the division, but one had to be a tremendous competitor just to get a world title shot in those days. It was a fun time to be following the contenders at 160, with many well conditioned action oriented competitors like Parker.

Once again, I would ask you to bear in mind that Jeff has been enshrined in Canastota for over a dozen years, while Pintor remains well on the outside looking in, so Chandler has already drastically surpassed Lupe in a very real sense.

Pintor gets a lot of play because of how controversially he won the title over Zarate (a decision even Lupe seemed surprised by), the Johnny Owen tragedy, then losing the pocket Manila to Gomez in New Orleans. Controversy is what gets Pintor all the attention you crave for Jeff, but boxing historians long ago made it very clear who they consider the far greater champion. Chandler's not talked about as you'd like because his qualities were simply not questioned all that much. During his career, he may well have been the most famous reigning bantamweight champion ever known in America. Zarate, Zamora, Pintor and Lujan combined may not have gotten the live network coverage Jeff's title fights received in the States. He was a HUGE star, the first American bantamweight champion since the revered Manuel Ortiz. (Who my father's late best friend was a sparring partner of.)