If catchweights are suppossed to benefit the smaller fighter...

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  1. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    smaller fighter with 11 loss of 13 on high profile catchweight fights.
     
  2. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    Are you suggesting that's somehow proof that catchweights are not put in place to benefit the smaller fighter? Why would a smaller fighter ask for one then?
     
  3. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    cw are agreed upon in the hope of evening up the size differential, though the result on the 13 high profile fight set forth does not reflect that at all.

    boxing should go back to same day weigh in for fights.
     
  4. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    And who would stand to benefit by "evening up the size differential"? :think

    See, there is no "if". Catchweights are made to benefit the smaller guy, and just because he loses the fight anyway doesn't erase the fact that the catchweight was to his benefit.
     
  5. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    It benefits both fighters as 2 high profile fighters of 2 different but adjacent weight classes get to fight each other for good money. Catchweights were meant to even the playing field without sacrificing the health of either fighter. If a fighter becomes weight drained after agreeing on a weight, that is his fault for not knowing his body's limits.

    It's funny how so many catchweight fights take place, but only ONE fighter is said to be draining the larger fighter while nobody says anything about the other catchweight fights. :think
     
  6. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    History shows catchweights benefit the bigger fighter as the few pounds they had agreed to shed were managable and did not compromise them enough for the smaller fighter moving up in weight to capitalize on them.

    Catchweights also takes it's toll on smaller fighters as some become sluggish and slow like in the case of Kelly Pavlik against Bernard Hopkins.

    Catchweights would probably benefit the smaller guy if they somehow force the bigger fighter to agree to a weight that would compromise their health. Let's say Pac made Cotto fight at 143 after Cotto and his doctor said it would be unhealthy.
     
  7. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    fairer question would be, will the benefit of evening up the size differential through catchweight be enough to make a fight between a smaller fighter against a bigger fighter fair??

    look, what fighters and everybody (and even i) seem to think that if a smaller fighter ask the bigger fighter to drop down in weight, it becomes an even fight as far as size differential goes.

    the 13 high profile fight the TS produced doesn't show that. clearly, size still matters.
     
  8. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    :lol:

    Maybe try venturing outside the "Pac" and Floyd threads once in a while. I hear people complaining about other fighters being drained quite often.
     
  9. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    History shows catchweights are the far more dangerous proposition for the smaller fighter. The few extra pounds the bigger fighter agrees to lose doesn't appear to affect them. THAT'S WHY THEY AGREED.

    :deal
     
  10. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Some fighters drain just to fight in their weight divisions limit. If they do, they are not likely to agree to a catchweight below the weight limit they struggle to make.

    Do you think Brandon Rios will agree to fight Yuriorkis Gamboa if a catchweight of 133 was proposed? Probably not, after seeing Rios struggle and fail to make the weight. If Rios agreed, made the weight, and looked sick during the fight and lost, then that's his fault, and the catchweight would have been a benefit to Gamboa.
     
  11. Julien Sorel

    Julien Sorel New Member Full Member

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    True but why is it always considered pacs fault? it was a cherrypick backfiring, oscar ****ed his own weight up and it cost him greatly.
     
  12. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    No, history shows that bigger guys beat smaller guys more often than not. Generally speaking, a fighter fighting at 147 usually walks around quite a bit heavier than that and has to cut weight to make the 147 limit before he weighs in, so how in the **** would it benefit him to have to come in two pounds lighter than what he normally has to weigh in at? It doesn't... At all.

    The smaller fighter should have the good sense to know that he shouldn't bulk all the way up to the weight limit if that extra weight will only slow them down and hurt their stamina, so if the extra weight is taking a toll they have nobody to blame but themselves.
     
  13. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    Let me ask you two (one) guy(s) this

    If Martinez fights Manny Pacquiao

    at 168 lbs

    Who does it benefit more, Pacquiao, or Martinez?

    Who would have the advantage?
     
  14. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    Most fighters drain to make their division's weight limit as there's a clear advantage in being the naturally bigger guy but the further they go down, the more that advantage is nullified by them being weakened and having to focus on cutting weight rather than working on their craft.
     
  15. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    It benefits him knowing the extra few pounds he agreed to and needs to lose won't affect him too much fighting against the smaller fighter. The benefit is him knowing he has an almost sure win.

    History shows his thinking is correct, unless that is he miscalculates his body's capacity, or he is fighting the likes of an ATG like... (***** ********)

    :deal