Morales Was Weight-Drained For Pacquiao Rematches

If that's the case then nobody should be fighting someone named Miguel Cotto anymore.

 

Too right you're not. There are plenty of other irrationally biased posters on this forum (and elsewhere).

 

You can't see an argument that he's been protected when it comes to picking opponents?

 

i guess im biased because I dont agree with whatever opinion he has...go figureatsch

 

I can. Just like I can see an arguement for Mayweather carefully picking his opponents at 147, too. Like I told him yesterday, if you're gonna' be that strict when looking at the resumes of fighters, then no man in this sport will have a good enough record. I mean, he was telling me Pacquiao should have moved up to fight Cotto around the time he [Pacquiao] was fighting Barrera and JMM back down at 130. If that's not irrational, then I don't know what is.

 

Pacquiao is a great fighter, who's accomplished a ton in this sport. I've got a lot of respect for his talent and accomplishments. With that being said, Morales was clearly past his best and drained when Pacquiao beat him. I'm pretty amazed he gets as much credit as he does for that win, all things considered.

 

Oh man, I can't believe he got tricked not once, but twice!

 

Of course you are. The same methodology you use to pick apart and downplay Pac’s record, can be done for, say, the man your avatar, too. But you’re not gonna’ contemplate doing that, are you? No, instead you'll direct that line of thinking to Pacquiao only. Ain't no thang. Keep doing it. Just sayin', there are plenty of others in this forum that do the same thing (on both sides).

 

I agree with that. I look at it this way Rico.


DLH : No problem with this fight, Oscar was the cash cow and opted for 147. It's his own fault that he took the weight off wrong. Good win for Pac.

Hatton : Good win over a shop worn Hatton.

Cotto : First, I think that this is Pacquaio's second greatest career win, behind the first MAB fight. There is a story to it though. The number one WW in the world at this point, was Shane Mosley. Mosley went to the wildcard gym to try and broker a fight. Roach told him 142lbs, or you have no fight. Shane said he couldn't make the weight. Cotto is then offered the fight at 145lbs, an oppertunity that was never given to Shane. Also factor in that Bob Arum would of known exactly what Joe Santiago was like in camp, and we have genius match making by Arum. The point of the 145lbs was never to drain Cotto, it was to make him focus his training more on the weight, than on training to fight Pacquaio.

Clottey : Best of a bad situation. I'd of preffered Marquez, but what are you going to do. Solid win. Side note, see how Clottey was given the full 147lbs limit, as opposed to Cotto who had 145.

Margarito : Same as Cotto, the 150lbs catch weight was designed to make Margo train for the weight, rather than for Pacquaio. No problem with a 150 catchweight, big problem with it being for a title and people trumpeting him as an 8 weight world Champion. Good win over a larger, if inactive opponent.

Mosley : Can anybody justify this? The loss to Mayweather aside, the man had just drawn with Sergio Mora. Pacquaio fights Shane at the 147lbs limit, despite being adamant about 142 a few years back.

JMM 4 : Score to be settled, no problem. I'd of liked to of seen it at 140, seeing as Pacquaio and his team are always saying (before they fight a bigger guy) that MP has to eat constantly to get to 145. You'd think 140 would of been the perfect fit.

 

so what does my choice of avatar has to do with Manny Pacquaio??? The guy in my avatar gets his accomplishments downplayed for more than Manny because he is a ***** which dont have anything to do with what goes on in the ring...why are you making this another Pac-Man/Money thread when the thread is clearly questioning if Morales was weight drained in the rematches...

do you think so? I do, which has nothing to do with Floyd Mayweather:hi:

 

Fair comments on all of them. But like I said, holes can be picked in any resume. And hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn’t it.

Hatton: Nobody was complaining about Hatton being shop-worn when Pac picked him. In fact, most, if not all, recognized it for the tough challenge it was. Pac, after all, was still seen as a lightweight at most – not only by the public, but by his team, too (refer to point below with Mosley) – and Hatton was the big brawler with size and weight advantages that’ll push him like Oscar couldn’t. The result? Pac destroys him in a manner unimaginable. Verdict? Hatton was shot and drained.

*When Mosley approached Roach, Pac was still an unknown commodity at the higher weights. It’s no surprise then that Roach wasn’t too confident with taking him on. He was honest about it. Understandably so. He’d only had two fights north of 135.

Cotto: Again, was seen as the bigger guy, and unlike the other 147 bout Pac had, this wasn’t a drained, shot guy he was facing. This was a fully-fledged, live welterweight. ESB was split 50-50 at the time; even with the knowledge of it being at a catchweight (something that was to be expected given the size disparity between the two). The fight itself – with how competitive Cotto was early on – showed this catchweight didn’t negatively affect Cotto like most try to make out nowadays. Result? Pac annihilates him in a manner most didn’t expect. Verdict? Cotto was drained.

Clottey: Was given the 147 limit after Pac proved he could handle the weight (by beating on Cotto). Hence why they were then confident enough to....

Marg: A 150 fight s understandable. He’s fighting guys one or two weight divisions bigger than him. Catchweights are fine to be used in situations like these, in my opinion. And if anyone could show me proof of Marg being weight drained for this, I’d honestly like to see it. And screw the title. I honestly don’t care much for stuff like that for guys like Pac. Result? Pac smashes him. Verdict? Marg was a nobody, despite being the same Marg (well, worse actually) that Cotto beats on to be touted as a guy who’s coming off a big win over a big opponent that Mayweather is now challenging himself against (pugilisticspecialist will know what I’m talking about here).

Mosley: Shameful fight.

JMM: Done this over to death. Both guys were of the same size. Weight was a non-factor here (as evident by the result). Having it at 144, or whatever it was, was just basically ensuring a fight with no weight limits to worry about. Result? JMM schools him. Verdict? There is none - no one bothers mentioning weight, age or anything, because there’s not a Pacquiao win here that threatens the critics like the Hatton, Oscar and Cotto ones do.


So there are two sides to every story. When you’re strict on people’s resume, nothing is good enough, as I’ll demonstrate with Mayweather:

• Oscar: Good win. Went up to 154. But let’s face it, Oscar’s best days were behind him, bla bla bla.
• Hatton: Good win. But Hatton had already been badly exposed up at 147 by the time Mayweather got hold of him, bla bla bla.
• JMM: Good win. But he made a guy immediately jump two weight division and even then cheated him on the scales, bla bla bla.
• Mosley: Good win. But as we found out, Mosley was shot to ****. He makes him suffer 15 months or so inactivity. Why couldn’t he have fought him straight after his destruction of Marg, instead of fighting JMM (again, pugilisticspecialist will know what I’m doing here), bla bla bla.
• Ortiz: What a cherry pick - dude been blasted by Maidana. Mayweather hides in obscurity, and only pops out when a fight is there to exploit, bla bla bla.
• Cotto: The man is a shot, damaged fighter (according to many Mayweather fans, too). 4 years too late. Marg and Pac fights have taken their toll, bla bla bla.

Now, I can let you reply to each of those fights and explain the positive things about them, or, I can let you know that I’m already aware of what they are, and that using such a strict criteria on these sort of things is a pointless exercise, because no fighter’s accomplishments in history will be good enough, and we’ll never allow ourselves to enjoy their fights/skills/win for what they are.

 

Appreciate the reply.

The fact is that if you're of reasonable intelligence; you can turn any situation to suit your agenda. No gripe :good

 

Stop it. . . Pacquiao whipped Morales ass fair, and square. . . Not once, but TWO TIMES! Just stop it. . .

Give the man his credit, where credit is due.

 

Your agenda is crystal clear. You don't need to mention the guy in you avatar when you're accustomed to making threads like yesterday; where hinting at the comparison between the two fighters was blatantly obvious.

 

I think Morales would've lost anyway, despite Morales being God.

The wars had caught up with him, all 20 of them. I think what was left of his prime was spent with his bad-assery in the 12th round of the first bout. Legend.