Chauncy Welliver VS $uper $eth Mitchell = Mike "Midget Lisp" Tyson VS Sammy Scaff 2??

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  1. kenmore

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    I really wonder why Spoon stopped moving and stood in front of Mitchell. It would interesting to know if Mitchell forced that kind of fight on Spoon, or if Spoon lost his discipline during the heat of battle.
     
  2. Lefthooktommy

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    I noticed that too, his jab was stiff as a board which makes me think all that muscle he's carrying around might be his downfall.
     
  3. Kalasinn

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    I think it was clearly both factors combined... Chazz blowing his load early desperately going for the knockout, & Mitchell unloading body bombs to destroy his remaining stamina. I believe heavy-handed bodypunches are underrated it their ability to sap the life out of an opponent & give them dead legs.
     
  4. kenmore

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    Do you think an opponent's legs could be killed by just one or two, or maybe three solid body punches? What's your guess?
     
  5. Lefthooktommy

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    I noticed that before the third round started Witherspoon's trainer said "You don't have to walk back to him every time". The third round starts and what does Witherspoon do? He
    jabs his way inside and steps right into the pocket and trys to bang with Mitchell.:patsch
     
  6. kenmore

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    Correct. In fact, by that point, Spoon wasn't even jabbing effectively anymore. His jabs didn't have the speed, accuracy, and snap that they had in the first.

    Maybe Spoon was overeager about hurting Mitchell again with a powershot, so stood there trying to land the big one. But by then, Spoon's punches were largely arm shots, and often inaccurate.

    Worse yet, by standing in front of a physically powerful guy like Mitchell, Spoon left himself open for those bulldozing body blows.

    Spoon should never have been dumb enough to allow himself to get clipped by that booming left hook in the 3rd, that dropped him.
     
  7. Kalasinn

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    I can't make a real guess, too many factors.

    Such as, how powerful are these body bombs, & how cleanly do they land?

    However, most importantly is where they land...

    Two or three solid, hard bodypunches landing flush on the kidneys or hips will take away a fighter's legs far more effectively than any legitimate placements. Although, you risk being warned for doing so. Sometimes it's hard to tell if a bodypunch landed legally or not.
     
  8. kenmore

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    Mitchell's body attack is one thing that he does exceptionally well. Better than most heavyweights, I'd guess. I'll give him credit for that.

    Otherwise, though, I thought I saw lots of signs that Mitchell could fall apart if taken into deep water by the right opponent. He struggles to block right hands, he can be hurt, the quality of his jab deteriorated under stress, he missed a lot of punches, and he may have a latent stamina problem.

    He may have shown signs of mental stress too.
     
  9. Lefthooktommy

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    Witherspoon's trainer also said "You dont have to be a hero."

    He tried to be a hero and he got blasted for it.
     
  10. Kalasinn

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    These are honest assessments of his flaws.

    Also very worrying was Mitchell's lack of headmovement against Chazz, whereas he made decent use of it vs. Ibragimov.
     
  11. Lefthooktommy

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    Mitchell will struggle against taller fighters. He doesn't possess the head movement or the speed to get inside on a taller fighter. That's why i think matching him up with Michael Grant could be a huge mistake.
     
  12. kenmore

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    Looking at the tape again, in slow motion, I'm more and more convinced that Chazz got cocky. Overconfident. He finished the 1st in complete control, unpunished. After that, he abandoned his game plan.

    But at the beginning of the 2nd, Chazz charged right out of his corner and stood in front of Mitchell, totally overconfident about being able to finish Mitchell off. Chazz must have figured Mitchell was defenseless. Chazz barely moves on his feet at this point...he's just trying to wing bombs at Mitchell, who crouches and holds.

    At this point, Chazz had not yet taken any big body punches. So we know his legs were still there. He was standing toe to toe deliberately.

    Shortly afterward, Mitchell forced Chazz to back away again...to run. About one minute into the round, Mitchell lands a nice left hook to the head, and may have connected with a big overhand right as Chazz was pulling away. Next, Mitchell started landing the body punches consistently, and Chazz was doomed.

    I wonder what would have happened if Chazz fought the 2nd just like he fought the 1st: jabbing at long range, being respectful of Mitchell's power, rapidly circling to the sides, and setting up the right.
     
  13. kenmore

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    Grant still has first rate KO power. His abilities have deteriorated in many ways, but if lands that sweeping, long left hook, he could KO almost anyone.
     
  14. Lefthooktommy

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    He had to go out and be a tough guy. All he had to do was repeat the formula that worked so well in the first round and i guarantee you Witherspoon would have won the fight.
     
  15. Lefthooktommy

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    No doubt man, Grant might be past it but he can still put your lights out at any given moment.