Who is more popular in Montreal - Pascal, or Bootay?

Pure ignorance at his best...:-(

1) First of all, there is something that's common to all the provinces but Quebec: english language and the culture (british) that comes with it. That, you can deny.

2) Sure, geography has made differences from one province to another. Same thing in Quebec. There is differences between someone from Saguenay Lac-St-Jean and someone from Montreal. It's not a valid point in the discussion

3) I think you mix things when you talk about treason. You got to see the Quebec-ROC relation as a bad one, that started well, in 1867 but distance grew between the spouses and now, they don't have nothing more in common. And remember that we didn't sign the Constitution in 1982, so treason is out of line.

4) That one of the biggest lie of your whole argumentation that we are agressive with the tourists who don't speak french. First, the vast majority will talk to an American in English if spoken to in the streets. Secondly, if someone makes the effort of trying French, it will be well received, even if not well spoken. Why do you think that Bute is so popular? A big part is because he learned french.

5) With one word (frog), we know exactly what you think of us. And it shows that you know nothing about us. I dare ask you to continue this conversation in French. But I'm sure your incapable. And because 90% of English canadians are in the same situation with the knowledge of French, there is one of the explanation for the distance between Quebec and English Canada.

6) With Harper as PM, the things that I shared with Canada (values) are put aside by an ideological government, which doesn't help convincing us to stay furthermore.

 

Wow, people on this site are WEIRD. I'm glad this is a huge aberration from reality. Should I go over your points?
1) Are you seriously saying French is primary only in Quebec? Should Sarnia and half if not 75% of Manitoba separate along with Quebec?

2) What's your point to support separation?

3) So you people really don't consider yourselves Canadian because you are babies and didn't sign the constitution. Good job. Now Get the **** out then.

4) LOL at that one. Ask any student that has gone on their class trip to Quebec. Ask any random person walking the streets in downtown Toronto, Vancouver, or even St. John's. I GUARANTEE they will say the same thing if they have ever been to your 'province'.

5) Did you not read who I was referring yo when I said Frog? The separatists, the ****ing BQ. Or are your english skills not on par with those from Mexico even.

6) Convince you to stay? Then leave. Like I said you can't have all the benefits of being part of this country though. No whining that you want help from Canada (France already said they wouldn't support you separating time and again).

All I can say is I am glad the majority of Canadians don't feel like you people, or Canada would have been ripped apart generations ago. This is such a niche part of society this forum, and you people talk like separation is a GOOD thing! Holee ****! Thank God for Canada you people weren't voting in the Referendums that those traitors have had. Remember, you separatists LOSE EVERY ****ing time. I'm glad I am in the majority, and it's a shame boxing fans seem to support treason and are extremely unpatriotic.

I've never heard of so much support for separation outside of BQ propaganda and YES rallies. If this was happening in the USA, there would be a civil war, and you know it. It's not like THAT has never happened before. Idiots.

 

I feel bad to be Ontarian like u, holy ****, we now all look like stupid redneck...

 

See what I'm saying.....****in hell....

 

so, you voted YES then I assume? Or you would if you lived in Quebec? You support separatism then? Great Canadian! A province starts crying they wanna be independent, and you're just 'go ahead, good luck?" *****.

Again, I am SO glad the majority of Canadians arent like you people on here and are AGAINST separatism and separtists. You people can go have your radical little factions spread throughout the belle province and have sympathizers littered throughout the rest of the country. Treason and revolt against Canada is wrong. Any slight against Canada offends me being a Canadian. However, you people are ignorant and unpatriotic (the Canadians) and liars (the Americans) or just easily swayed by Nazi...err, I mean Separatists propaganda.

I really can't believe you people are attacking me for saying what the MAJORITY of Canadians want, one Canada that includes Quebec. Send the Separatists to the bottom of Lake Superior however.

 

Better be alone than in bad company...
I dont give a **** if they want to quit, why the hell would u want to stay with someone who dont like u anyway, I dont get your point? U really want to keep the Canada united with the Quebec in a hate/hate relationship? I have lived in both Quebec and Ontario and my family is mixed with Quebecois and Ontarians, and yes, Quebec and ROC are two worlds apart.

 

It has nothing to do with Canada. I think that Quebec should be a separate country and I also think that Canada is one (when not governed by Harper) of the greatest country in the world. It just never felt like my country. We have our own language (that most Canadians don't speak), our own culture (that most Canadians have no idea about) and our own political views (a lot more left-wing, even though neoliberalism is slowly getting to us). The Conservative Party had 6 deputy elected out of 75 in Quebec, and 161 out of 233 in the rest of Canada ! It's hard to feel represented by this majority government.

Also, I don't think that economically it's going to do much of a difference. We receive a little bit more than we pay right now from the federal government, but we will save money in different ways by not sending taxes to Ottawa. Anyway, independance should never be about economical reasons, it's about defining yourself. If we only made decision based on money, people would never leave their parents house. Not sure we would be happier.

Right now, I think it's 60/40 against, but in the french population it's more 55-45 for it.

Oh, and Bute is more popular.

EDIT: Quebec is part of Canada because there was a war and we were beaten... It's never been a happy mariage. It's people from one country losing to people from another country, and therefore become part of a country they did not chose.

 

We're not attacking you for the fact that you love Canada but for the words you use to described us and the blind hatred that comes with your comments.atsch

 

It was addressed only to that violent freak, not to you nor Canadians in general. :good

 

The funny thing is that if the situation was reversed and Canada was a french country, he would probably be the first one to ask for independence.

Fact : French people became part of Canada by losing their "country". I don't understand how anyone can not see why some Quebecois would want to finally "win their country". I guess it's a lack of empathy.

 

Thank you man, at least someone can analyse the situation without going nuts and loosing it. Yes, we are different and we don't associate with the ROC for many reasons. Mainly cultural ones, but also political views, I mean, we have views that are worlds apart from the right wing Conservatives of Harper. We are also worlds apart from the way we see the USA. As for our roots, we are made different, with Latin and Greek composition, as in our language, we feel and live more like Europeans( Italians, Spanish, French ) were the ROC are from Anglo-Saxon descent and are less emotional, more factual. That don't mean one is better then the other, just that we are different....and wait, even if the separation is not in the Québec agenda too much these days, Alberta, with all that oil in the sand, is sick of forwarding billions our way every year and they also want to separate or kick us out of their so beautifull country. We are all on planet Earth, and we should appreciate the differences, if we are not too scared of what we don't know...

 

Ok, let me correct you on some points. And I will have the decency to address you in English because you wouldn't understand a thing if I wrote in English.

1) The french speaking population of Manitoba represent 3,7% of the whole population of the province. I don't know where you've learned your history and geography but you should go back to school.

2) My point to support the idea of separation is that we have a different language and culture from the rest of Canada. And since 2006, our values are less and less represented in Ottawa. Furthermore, each time that something happens (ex: opening celebrations at the Vancouver Games) and only the english language is used, putting on the side french, the message that is send to us is: we don't care about you. If you look, each time that something national is done in Quebec, the two languages can be heard at those events.

3) Saying that because we want to separate, it's treason bring two things to my mind. First, you don't understand the concept of treason. Secondly, you see treason as a child would see it. It's still particular (unique would be a better word for it), in the Occidental part of the world, to see a territory not signing the Constitution of it's country and still be part of that country. Don't you think?

4) For each example of an English canadian that was badly treated, I'll give three examples of people that loved it here. Maybe you had a rough time here, but in general, we are friendly to someone from outside, even more if you tried to, at least, learn some french (Bonjour, comment ça va, etc.).

5) There is a lot of example of separation that didn't transform into a civil war. Montenegro and Slovakia are two great examples. And if you knew our history, you would have understood that there is only a small chance for the separation to turn into a civil war. Except if we let the hate that you've shown until now in that thread have the better part of reason.

I won't reply to you anymore because it seems impossible to have a discussion, since you see us as backstabbing traitors.

:smooch

 

:rofl Lol what does France not supporting separation has to do with anything.
They didn't care for us even when they had us

 

Well the idea was less and less popular, but since 7-8 years, it seems to be getting back full force with the conservative government that does everything in its power to widen the gap between Québec and the ROC.