Cotto who fought Mayweather against Manny Pacquio

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  1. bachatu

    bachatu Pro Full Member

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    The reason why Cotto had so many issues with Pac was the fact that Pac was returning fire with fire, but at a crazy pace that Miguel is not accustomed to fighting. Recheck their first fight. Yeah, Miguel wasn't at his best fight weight, but if you look at the 2nd round on, he starts getting hit a lot and simply got broken down. Mayweather, if he would have stepped on the gas more, IMO, could have taken Cotto out of there.
     
  2. Gunns4hire

    Gunns4hire Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cotto doesnt make excuses for losing....
     
  3. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let's say the fight would happen.. What would boxing fans feel about this?

    Let's say they booked the fight. . .

    PACQUIOA VS COTTO @154..

    Who wins and why? :smoke
     
  4. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Cotto wasn't drained against Pac. Stop making **** up, guys.

    You take that version of Pac (2009) and put him in with last night's Cotto, and he still would have been a nightmare for him. Cotto may have avoided the same beating (due to having a better trainer and now knowing how much damage Pac can do), but the result wouldn't have been that different.
     
  5. DoYouWantThis?

    DoYouWantThis? King Elaborator Full Member

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    he wasn't drained but he wasn't 100%
    what i dont understand is, why they enforced the catchweight, are they not confident of pac beating a trainerless cotto?! ****ing ****s
     
  6. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you stupid to say that there is a big difference? :patsch
    The only difference is the power (because of the weight).. And its not so much that it would be too tough for Pacquioa to handle.. :nono

    As if Cotto appeared too big on fight night @154 compared to his fight @145 with Pacquioa.. :bart

    Cotto's style is pretty much the same, except that he had to adjust and keep his guard up, pushed Mayweather on the ropes to be more effective.. While he had to be running around the ring just to survive Pac's onslaught..
    :deal
     
  7. Beenie

    Beenie Evolve already! Full Member

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    Any version of Cotto probably would be reduced to running from Pac for much of the fight.
     
  8. Bogotazo

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    Does a lot better, at the very least.
     
  9. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Better trainer and more disciplined approach from Cotto=better performance on the whole against that version of Pac.

    That being said, I still think Pac would win the fight pretty clearly...He just wouldn't dominate in quite the same manner as he did when they met inside the ring and I don't think he'd be able to prevent Cotto from hearing the final bell.
     
  10. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It doesn't mean that if Mayweather can't KD Cotto, Pac won't be able to do it.. You can compare it on how Cotto's face is busted up.. :hey Floyd and Pac have opposite styles.. You think Cotto would still want to go inside if its Pac in front of him? :bart
     
  11. bballchump11

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    Pac wins by decision, but doesn't blow Cotto away
     
  12. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As if Miguel Cotto is a big man.. :bart

    Plus its his own will to do it @145..

    Mayweather started this, and you guys thought its a very big deal.. :huh
    Cotto, the guy who made the weight did not complain.. But Floyd and his fans keep on insisting the Cotto was cheated when Floyd did not make the weight against JMM.. :smoke

    And how do you feel about Martinez calling Mayweather above 154? :smoke
     
  13. Uncle Rico

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    They enforced the catchweight because Pac was the smaller fighter coming up at the time, remember. Prior, he weighed 138 against the bigger Ricky Hatton at LWW. It was a given, then, that a fight against the even bigger Miguel Cotto at WW would be at a catchweight of some sort. Which is why Cotto himself had no problem accepting it (his only issue was putting his title on the line).

    And yeah, they weren't fully confident of Pac fighting live welterweights when he hadn't yet proven what he was capable of at the weight. That's why they turned down a fight against Mosley. Because they thought he was too big. Pac, at that time, was still seen as that career featherweight that was testing the waters at higher weights.

    Honestly, it amazes me how everyone's forgotten what the climate was like during Pac's to the welterweight division. A lot of people not long ago were scoffing at him even being able to survive with the likes of Cotto and Hatton, and now they're accusing him of making Cotto weight one pound less than a fight he had before, whilst forgetting that Pacquiao was operating 10-15 pounds north of what they thought (only a year or so before) he was capable of? Ridiculous.
     
  14. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I haven't heard of this..

    Any links? or videos?

    :pics
     
  15. pngo

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    I think the lack of a REAL trainer was more devastating for Cotto than the weight, although at 154 he would obviously be more comfortable.

    But seriously, Cotto was basically training with a gym trainer for the paquiao fight.