Why was Cotto so much easier for Pacquiao than he was for Mayweather?

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  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Both fmj & pac can go suck a big dick but my view is that after seeing the fmj-Cotto fight today my belief that fmj beats pac decisively at any weight has been strengthened.

    mayweather will **** pacquiao up bigtime & I`ll bet anyone on this forum if/when the time comes.

    No neutral with any understanding of boxing would make pac a favourite over fmj IMO.
     
  2. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol::thumbsup
     
  3. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Just read that and I must say, no offense at all, but you need to petition yourself to hit a ****ing boxing gym for at least 6 months straight to fully understand the purpose of weight categories in general.

    Cotto weighed TWO pounds less Pac because it was requested to be at 145. If two pounds is nothing to you, it surely was something to Roach for a reason. Otherwise it wouldn't be requested to a guy who has been weighing 146-147 for three years straight as a welterweight to move to 145.

    You make it sound like Cotto decided it's time to make 145 one week before the weigh-in only to finally succeed. If that's how you think it works then I'll have to say that even if I tried to reduce myself psychologically, which I often have to do among simpletons, to try and explore and explain to you I would fail and fail miserably. Because attempting to enforce that kind of mental limitation for more than 3 minutes could cost me my sanity permanently.

    You must either be underage, troubled, trolling for the hell of it or straight up clueless and dumb to think of catchweights as they're nothing but one or two pounds. Why the hell do you think it's requested then?, WHY THE HELL ARE THERE CONDITIONERS MAKING A LIVING TO CONDITION FIGHTERS WHEN IT COMES TO CATCHWEIGHTS? :lol:
     
  4. SouthpawJab

    SouthpawJab On his way up!! 4-0!! Full Member

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    Pacquaio didn't stand right in front of Cotto, and he embarassed him. Cotto had no idea what to do when he couldn't come in a straight line and find his guy. Manny fought a smarter fight and dominated much more impressively.
     
  5. Serb Can

    Serb Can Active Member Full Member

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    Because live fighting can teach you more then practicing moves in a gym.

    Also, styles make fights.
     
  6. jawbreaker

    jawbreaker Active Member Full Member

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    If he already beat him so decisively and weight does not matter....Why did Pac turn down the fight at 154?
     
  7. Convicted_Felon

    Convicted_Felon Certified Savage Full Member

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    Come on man. Manny is a cheater! It is more evident today than it ever was. Out of all of the 15 world champions Cotto has faced, only 2 really did a number on him. One got caught trying to load his gloves and the other refuses to take the kind of drug test that would oust him as the dirty cheat that he is. It was easier for Pac because his team saw a weakness in Cotto. They have their guy juiced to the eyeballs and they knew exactly what they were doing when they asked for the catchweight.They wanted to slow him down. If a couple of pounds doesn't make a difference then why not fight Cotto at 150?

    What behooves me is why Manny Pacquiao, one of the guys with the fastest hands in boxing, needs to attempt to slow people more than they are? He already has a speed advantage over mostly everyone he fights, so why stack the deck against his opponents. That makes me call him a fraud who can NEVER be a P4P King in my eyes. They had Cotto in training camp working on losing weight more than anything else.
     
  8. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Aren't you the **** trying to encourage boxing fans on a boxing forum on the internet to boycott all fights? :lol:

    Go to sleep, cabbie.
     
  9. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes and being the smaller man in all your 140lb plus fights always means a big difference esp when you came from right down the weight classes


    yet Pac keep whacking them out

    somehow though Pac has the advantages against these welterweights lol

    :lol::lol:
     
  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This.

    Might add more confidence, but that's an ancillary reason to the trainer issues and style match-up. Still, Cotto was coming off one of the most impressive performances of his career against Mayweather, while he was coming off a close, controversial decision over Clottey leading up to Pac. Mentally, he was in a better place going into the Mayweather fight.
     
  11. p4p_kid

    p4p_kid Well-Known Member Full Member

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    lets end this BS. Manny outperformed Floyd in their common opponents. Not once, twice or thrice but 4 times. They need to fight! Floyd easily fights opponents that he thinks he can beat, he hasn't done the same thing with Manny. We know Manny, he's one courageous MOFO.

    Enoung of the Cathweight stuff. Manny is one of the smallest welterweight i've seen in my life. Nobody ever fought in the 147lb division without going over 150lb on fight night. He should be fighting at 140 but he still fights in the 147lb d because he wants the big fights/money.
     
  12. agila2004a

    agila2004a Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i have a theory. the additional one pound that cotto have to drain from 146 to 145 probably caused temporary blindness. that's why cotto said after the fight he couldn't see pac's punches. now i know why pac drains his opponents.. it's not to weaken them but to blind them.
     
  13. Cinderella Man

    Cinderella Man Deleebr 'eem into mahands Full Member

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  14. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's questionable. Against Pac he was coming in undefeated in his head, I don't think he felt the same way after that fight. And according to most posters here, the Margo rematch was a sham since:

    1. it was a catchweight, imposed by Cotto, the defending champ!
    2. Marg was butchered by Pac and handicapped by that eye, which ultimately stopped the fight
     
  15. KO Boxing

    KO Boxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Simple. Floyd fought a better version of Cotto, at Cotto's proper weight.

    Against Pac, Cotto was in a period of 18 months that can only be categorised as the worst of his career. He was destroyed by Marg the first time (possibly with loaded gloves), and went life and death with Clottey, a guy he would have beaten much easier pre-Marg.

    Plus the catchweight, which despite what irrational Pac fans say, effected him without a shadow of a doubt.

    3 years later, Cotto (who moved immediately up to 154 following the 145 catchweight), had re-invented himself, had the best trainer of his career, strung together a couple of wins, one of which avenged his first loss to Marg. He was on a high, confidence and motivation wise.

    But last, and most importantly, STYLES MAKES FIGHTS.

    Every boxing fan should know this, but as this board seems to suggest, even the most obvious of notions in boxing are unknown to a lot here.