Floyd's leaping left hook. A thing of the past.

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  1. Str8ryte

    Str8ryte Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I saw the pull counter and the straight right many times. You missed them apparently.
     
  2. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah. Floyd is older than me but I can't help but notice how bad aging sucks (after your prime years). When a fighter that I've watched fight during his younger/prime years is now past his and its noticeable...you realize that the constant reminder by those that like to use boxing dramatic poetry that is symbolic to "Life,"...eh...the truth sucks sometimes. Especially seeing Mosley these past few fights.

    You go back and watch footage of their earlier fights then watch their latest... :-(

    It has to be worse for the fighter who deep down probably feels that he could have whooped this guy years ago in his prime but now is getting battered. And, to top it off, many fans that have never seen him fight in his early years or even fans that just want to trounce on his legacy, will just think he was never that good and/or would always lose because he lost the way he did.
     
  3. TheRat

    TheRat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    cotto was inside a lot, he'd would have landed those if he decided to fight outside.
     
  4. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm sorry, but that fact that Mayweather used his legs just fine in the 11th and 12th round is being completely ignored. He used the pull counter 3-4 times. Cotto kept his guard high and hardly ever dropped it. You just can't away with certain things when the guy has studied you and is trying to capitalize on your patterns.

    He's slower, yes. But he's also stronger, smarter and doesn't HAVE to move as much anymore. Styles make fights and Cotto was ready for his, he adjusted and beat Cotto AND Diaz's tactics.
     
  5. JMP

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    Watching Mosley-Alvarez was terrible. I remember saying early on, "when is Shane gonna start to throw with some speed?" Then I quickly realized that he was trying to :-( The last paragraph of your post, I'm in full agreement with. It sucks when guys fight too long and people's lasting images of them are when they're no where near what they used to be.
     
  6. elchivito

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    Cottos jab and pressure aside from a renewed confidence and weight and strength advantage plus good defense neutralized Floyds leaping left hook, but Cotto never really had an answer to Floyds rights. Jmm not really known as a jabber or come forward pressure fighter.
     
  7. errsta

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    is that joe louis or Mosley after Canelo?
     
  8. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This stuff isn't rocket science. Floyd is 35, right about the time when most athletes really start to lose their legs, speed, reflexes, etc. Watch footage of Saturday's fight and compare with the Jmm fight. Notice the difference in Floyd's ability to move on hig legs, to bounce in and out of spots, to better react to incoming punches. Floyd is primarily a flat footed fighter because of this. Floyd from the Jmm fight wins much more easily and rarely gets hit vs Cotto. And because he's lost quite a bit to age, he's more limited and vulnerable. I know, duh, but i don't think some of you are acknowledging this obvious fact.

    Also, Floyd's skill level is special but some of his game was based on natural talent like the leaping left hook, pull back counter along with his cat like reflexes which allowed him to avoid punches.
     
  9. thawk888

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    Ya'll need to keep it in perspective. Floyd's 35 and threw over 700 punches during the course of the fight. Pacquiao only threw 590 against Marquez in their last bout.

    You don't throw those many punches while fighting off a heavier man, then have enough in the tank to start hoping around in the 11th and 12th with enough power to hurt your opponent and then have enough energy to clown the HBO crew afterwards and then be called into question like this.

    I think he's good for a couple years.
     
  10. Leon

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    Floyd will be going back to the basics by relying on his jab to lead instead of the hook now that he's older. Post-retirement Floyd uses the jab much more than pre-retirement. Roy Jones used this kind of hook plenty too; it requires the athleticism of youth.

    Floyd tried the leaping hook early in the fight, but it wasn't as effective due to Cotto(e)'s strong high guard. The leaping hook can be risky, and conventional wisdom says you don't want to hook with a hooker. Cotto(e) was able to time Floyd's hooks and land his own hook first a few times.

    The reason you didn't see as many pullcounters is because Cotto(e) steps in with his jab. Why do you think Floyd didn't use the pullcounter against Oscar either? Floyd's primary method of neutralizing jabs is the pullcounter. If that isn't the best option, his alternative is outjabbing the jabber.

    Leading with the hook isn't exactly Floyd's best punch. Mosley, who doesn't even keep his hands up, would time Floyd's hooks and raise his right hand to parry them.
     
  11. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You are completely disregarding what happened in the 11th and 12th of this fight and the first couple of rounds. He was on his feet, not getting touched much and sharp shooting Cotto. Why is everyone ignoring this? :huh

    Plus, you're ignoring the glaring difference of opponent.
     
  12. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ^ THIS


    I swear, some of these folks act like Floyd was in their by himself.
     
  13. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No one is questioning his stamina. You are correct, Floyd seemed more fresh in the 11th and 12th rounds. Moving well on his legs. But stamina and output is a completely different topic from losing your natural talents due to age.
     
  14. bballchump11

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    well Floyd can bounce on his feet, but not spring into a quick hook or lead right effectively. Leon is right too with everything he said also.
     
  15. thawk888

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    I can't really give the final say until I see him fight at 147 again and if he fights an opponent who is open for those shots, cause Cotto wasn't last night.