Joe Calzaghe and Britains top 168 lbers

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Boxing Monthly has an article this month titles Britains top 10 SMWs. The fighters are -

    1. Joe Calzaghe
    2. Chris Eubank
    3. Nigel Benn
    4. Carl Froch
    5. Steve Collins
    6. Richie Woodhall
    7. Robin Reid
    8. Glen Catley
    9. Brian Magee
    10. James Cook

    Now I think Collins may be Eire not British but thats the list and I could be wrong. Still looking at the list, look at the shocking facts. #1 Calzaghe beat #2 Eubank, #6 Woodhall, #7 Reid and beat #8 Catley as an amateur. All good fighters and SMW world champs.
    More shocking is that #3 Benn, #4 Froch and #9 Magee all lost to Calzaghe victims.
    Collins retired when due to face Calzaghe and Calzaghe was scheduled to fight Magee at one time but Mario Veits team refused to allow Calzaghe to defend his world title, so the fight got s****ped.

    They note that there will be advocates arguing that Ray Close, David Starie and Henry Wharton deserve to be included, yet consider that Calzaghe beat Starie and Close lost to a Calzaghe victim and Wharton lost to 2 Calzaghe victims.

    Seems clear who #1 is

    Right now Calzaghe has been gone from the SMW division for a while yet if you look at arguably Wards 3 best SMW world title victories in Kessler, Froch and Bika, 2 are Calzaghe victims.
    If you look at Butes world title wins over Magee and Brinkley, both had lost previously to Reid
     
  2. Lilo

    Lilo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The first thing I notice there is Collins are #5, yet he has four wins over guys above him :think
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree.
    For overall work at SMW I would put Eubank above Collins and possibly Benn also, but I cant see how Froch is above Collins. Collins 2 wins over Eubank and 2 wins over Benn are greater than any of Frochs wins
     
  4. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Collins only beat those guys past their bests :tong
     
  5. Lilo

    Lilo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think I'd probably have Reid above Woodhall as well, close but Reid higher for me.
     
  6. bailey

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    Thats a bit unfair. Eubank was still undefeated and Benn had only lost a SD to Malinga, when before that he had looked good and Malinga went on to win a world title at SMW again
     
  7. bailey

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    I struggle to seperate the 2 really. I think Woodhall gets a little underated at times, as does Reid. Its a toss up really
    Woodhall beat Malinga WBC SMW champ, beat Catley who became WBC SMW champ, beat Nardiello former WBC champ and still world rated. Woodhall also beat Branco who was a world class SMW who beat Reid, but that was at MW and before Branco became WBA LHW champ. If Reid had of been given the decision over Ottke which I felt he deserved, his stock would have gone right up, but Reid still has a good resume in his own right, in beating WBC SMW champ Nardiello away, beating Cherifi who became WBC MW champ and his win over B Magee now WBA SMW int champ. Reids win over Pretaurious was a good win, but not great.
    Reids losses to Malinga and Branco dont help considering Woodhall beat both. As said its a toss up.
    I think Reid underachieved and could have done more. Reid just didnt do anything against Malinga, a fight he could have clearly won and after losing to Calzaghe, just didnt do anything against Branco who Woodhall had stopped. Reid was never the same after the Calzaghe fight and never seemed to work as hard or do as much again, though I think he won the Ottke fight, which does deserve credit.
     
  8. Lilo

    Lilo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah I think in a head2head I'd favour Reid.

    Malinga/Branco aside, Reid trumps Woodhall when comparing their Calzaghe's fights. There's the Ottke 'robbery' too of course.

    Kudos to the longevity of Reid aswell.
     
  9. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Collins was rather lucky to get the nod over Eubank in the first fight (though apparently not the second) and Benn was way past his sell by date when the two met. Collins is ranked about right imo.
     
  10. bailey

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    Collins first fight with Eubank was close, but I dont really think he was lucky. The fight could have gone either way.
    Benn may have been past his best, but until a SD loss to Malinga had looked fine, so I dont buy that he was past his best. Malinga had given Benn a good arguement previously and won by a SD and was a fighter who would win a world title again off of an undefeated R Reid. I dont know if Benn was as mentally up for Collins with the McClellan tragedy having happened only the year before though
     
  11. bailey

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    Reid looked better against Calzaghe than Woodhall, but I wonder if that was also due to Woodhall being at the end of his career.
    If Reid had of got the decision against Ottke, he would have a great argument as being in 2nd place having won WBC WBA IBF titles and Ottkes name on his resume
     
  12. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Oh it was close and robbery is way to strong a word but I think Eubank was a bit unfortunate not to get the nod and also be denied a kd.
    As for Benn he was way past his best. You're not going to sway me on that.:D
     
  13. knockout artist

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    Getting that decision he deserved over Ottke would have made a huge difference for Reid's career. I still think he's a better fighter than Froch. Whilst I'm a fan of Carl Froch, I think he gets slightly overrated at times, imagine if the decision had gone against him in the Dirrell fight.
     
  14. D-MAC

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    His only fight at 168 was his last, the ill-fated one with Eubank.
     
  15. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When describing a fighters career I'm thinking of using the phrase "Beat or got the better of (as in Reids case) Otkke etc etc", as there are simply too many crappy verdicts that can seriously distort ones view of a fighter.
    Eg. How much better would Graciano Rocchigiannis career look if he'd not been robbed against Maske and Michczewski?