The butterfly has lost its wings the bee has lost its sting...

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  1. Sanxion

    Sanxion New Member Full Member

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    The butteryfly has lost its wings
    The bee has lost its sting
    You are finished you loud mouthed ba**ard

    [Poem delivered to Muhammad Ali upon his loss to Ken Norton, March 31 1973]

    Thereafter Ali returned and defeated Ken Norton.
    He then convincingly outpointed Joe Frazier.
    He continued and dethroned the seemingly invincible George Foreman.
    He then demonstrated an exemplary level of bravery and resolve to cause Joe Frazier to retire at the end of the 14th round in Manilla.

    These are the reasons why Muhammad Ali is considered to be the greatest heavyweight of all.
     
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  2. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    March 31, 1973

    Most 'honest observers' of 'THE FIGHT' scored it,,,,,,,

    7-4-1 for KEN NORTON

    Referee; Frank Rustich...............7-4-1 (Ken Norton)
    Judge; Hal Richards...................5-4-3 (Ken Norton)
    Judge; Fred Hayes....................6-4-2 (Muhammad Ali)

    Associated Press......................7-4-1 (Ken Norton)
    United Press; Jim Cour...............6-4-2 (Muhammad Ali)
    Los Angeles Times; Jim Murray....6-4-2 (Ken Norton)

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  3. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Regarding Foreman this must always bear in mind :
    [url]http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=211663[/url]

    Ali wanted 2 retire , he told Dundee 2 cut his gloves while he was sitting in his corner after d 14th rd , I think he didn't want 2 quit though , only meant Dundee should repeat his Henry Cooper magic (c d Henry Cooper story here : [url]http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347452[/url]) much luckily 4 him , Frazier retired in his corner because his face was so swollen he couldn't c with his 1 functioning eye (Frazier was blind in 1 eye due 2 cataract since b4 their fight) .

    Muhammad Ali is not even d greatest Muhammad of all time . He probably is d greatest Cassius though .
     
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  4. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol: Oh, kind Franklin. You're like Loretta Young's daughter. You're the only one in the room who doesn't know you never even needed to be adopted.
     
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  5. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let me guess , Bokaj alt ? who pays u all 2do it ? Ali's lawyer ? Dundee's lawyer ? Dundee's inheritors ? Laila Ali ? Don King maybe ?
    2 posts out of 2 on Ali , at least spam d lounge a little so u will seem like a genuine poster .Or post some : "some great replies in here :good" in a thread about "Sugar Ray Robinson" like so many here did since i read this forum . This is how a true historian rolls .
     
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  6. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i'd rather not know what **** u mean here , something like "i love lucy" , isn't it ? don't refrain from posting your utube link / fotoshopped **** in here , dis tred dizervs u .
     
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  7. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    On the '3' Officials who scored 'THE FIGHT'

    They were all from San Diego, California

    And, they all had worked together as a 'team' in many bouts in San Diego.

    Referee, Fred Rustich (age 62) had been a boxing official (Referee and Judge) since 1946.

    Judge, Hal Richards (age 59) had been a boxing official (Referee and Judge) since 1950.

    Judge, Fred Hayes (age 42) had been a boxing official (Judge) since 1970.

    As you can see, the 'old school guys' went with the Marine, while the
    younger guy went with the 'culture figure'.

    Any Surprise,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    How anyone could have scored that fight for Muhammad Ali is 'beyond belief'........:patsch
     
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  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Nobody is debating that Norton won the 1st fight, why are you making something out of nothing ? :huh
     
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  9. Sanxion

    Sanxion New Member Full Member

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    The issue of the ropes is frankly a misnomer and an irrelevance in comparison to what the expectations of the ordinary masses were on the eve of the fight in Zaire. It was 'common knowledge' that George would be too strong and powerful for a 32 year old Ali. It was 'common knowledge' that George was adept at 'cutting off the ring' against his opponents and then punishing them against the ropes. It was 'common knowledge' that even if Ali did move for the early part of the fight, George would eventually catch him and sound the death toll...all of which Ali spectacularly defused with his ring knowledge and improvisation. Greatness is measured by doing the 'impossible', it is quantified by upsetting the odds, it is known by facing your greatest nemesis and defeating them...and Ali did against both Liston and Foreman.


    Ali wanted 2 retire , he told Dundee 2 cut his gloves while he was sitting in his corner after d 14th rd , I think he didn't want 2 quit though , only meant Dundee should repeat his Henry Cooper magic (c d Henry Cooper story here : [url]http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347452[/url]) much luckily 4 him , Frazier retired in his corner because his face was so swollen he couldn't c with his 1 functioning eye (Frazier was blind in 1 eye due 2 cataract since b4 their fight) .

    Perhaps it is conceivable to suggest that Ali wanted to retire. But he did not. He continued. His resolute will and profound self belief compelled him to fight on.

    Larry Holmes once remarked that it was Ali's ability to pull the proverbial 'rabbit out of the hat' that marked his greatness in the ring; and he ought to know being present in both Zaire and Manilla.

    Muhammad Ali is not even d greatest Muhammad of all time . He probably is d greatest Cassius though .[/quote]
     
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  10. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    and he cheated huge time vs Foreman in order 2 disprove that common knowledge . ppl like yourself and d majority of this forum would have praised him if he brought a pistol 2d ring and shot Foreman , it would have been n upset , wouldn't it ?
    D **** i care about d public and their correct Xpectaions in this case , Ali and Dundee cheated as usual .
    Ali did not want 2 retire , he only wanted n extended break between rounds and wouldn't have issued n objection 2 some powder made 4 sniffin .
    Some smelly dead rabbits he used 2 pull out of his s .
     
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  11. Sanxion

    Sanxion New Member Full Member

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    frankenfrank

    It is abundantly clear from your disgraceful remarks and recourse to abuse and profanity that you are an individual who is not deserving of an intelligent response.
     
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  12. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    :rofl :lol:
     
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  13. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    We need to take up an offering to send Frank back to school...or "skool" for him..so he can be taught how to type sentences that don't come off like an idiot texting display.
     
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  14. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:

    Yeah, when I want to display my childish streak, I use my Boxed Ears alt. For the serious, weighty stuff it's still this one, though.:yep

    Oh, btw, rev. Al Sharpton is my biggest contributer. Or "Sugar Daddy" as I like to call him.
     
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  15. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    Col. Parker,,,,,,,,,

    As for the Boxing Officials for the March 31, 1973 Muhammad Ali vs Ken Norton bout.

    THE FIGHT

    Referee, Frank Rustich had worked in 12 of Ken Norton's previous 30-bouts.

    Judge, Hal Richards had worked in 16 of his bouts.

    Judge, Fred Hayes had worked in 4 previous bouts.
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    The 'rematch' was not going to be in San Diego, 'come hell or high water' said
    Angelo Dundee,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,',it was Los Angeles or nowhere else'
     
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