What skills does Pac have to beat Mayweather?

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  1. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Serious question for those who know something about boxing. Mayweather can fight both defensively and offensively, he has a massive advantage in reach and defense.
    Floyd being weary of Pac's power and the magnitude of a possible loss will not fight the same way he did against Cotto.
    So what is Pac's way to victory besides trying to catch Floyd with a quick lefthand and hurt him and stop him? Hes not going to outbox him, and Floyd can offset any kind of aggression with quick counters and movement as good or better than Marquez could so whats the gameplan?
     
  2. drunkboat

    drunkboat Active Member Full Member

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    It would be nice to see somebody who doesnt just stand in front of PBF all night. I think Mayweather would win against Pac 7 times out of ten , however.
     
  3. Boxing Fanatic

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    work rate, speed, power
     
  4. Seckah

    Seckah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only way I see Pac winning is attacking for all 12 rounds basically all out either KO him or he will KO you type of fight. If not Floyd will win by points....
     
  5. TyrantT316

    TyrantT316 Member Full Member

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    Cotto and DLH did well because of their size and jab. Manny doesn't have either. Even with the jab landing a bit more than other Mayweather opponents, Mayweather was still able to fight his pace when it counted and won.

    Manny will have the crowd on his side as he is hyperactive, but his 6-7 punch combinations where 1-2 land won't be effective. Mayweather I believe would walk Pacman down, counter him, make him miss and win. He'd be as sharp as ever vs a fighter who throws that much and probably faster.

    But while everyone thinks Floyd's game is speed. Pacman and Roach will find out that Mayweather's success comes from being relaxed, knowing how to fight inside and out and punch economics. Mayweather's one of the only fighters I know that can fight "predictably" (use the same punch or combination over and over again because it works) and use it effectively throughout an entire fight.
     
  6. aramini

    aramini Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His style is completely unconventional. The in and out pressure and odd angles with no room for winding up should NOT have power, but he has hurt some of the most unhurtable guys in the sport over and over, even having Shane running in fear.

    Weird angles, broken rhythm, difficulty in anticipating the attack, decent range control when you come forward, but mostly it's just a weird weird style. JMM figured it out, but look how many times he got put down before he got used to it, and he is a boxing mastermind.

    Floyd might not match up well to someone who is so successfully unconventional; he might not anticipate the flow of pac because it's so unnatural, and anything that gets through might hurt him.
     
  7. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Establish lead foot position through lateral movement to set up the left straight and neutralize the right hand, keep a smooth upper body rhythm going, high guard up, feint before throwing to the head and body so he leans back vulnerably, attack definitively and explosively but not recklessly, don't neglect the body (particularly that right side), make him reach with his right hand & left hook and walk him into shots with right-hook counters (especially when he presses forward or tries to correct his angle).
     
  8. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Manny's style is uncoventional but it hasnt proved to work against a skilled boxer. His workrate and angled attack works great for fighters that stand in with him, but against a guy moving using his jab with excellent timing he has to have boxing ability and the ability to get inside by cutting off the ring.
    Marquez used that kind of skill and you didnt see Pac overwhelming anything, he looked somewhat ordinary. Floyd really is a step above Marquez both defensively and technically not to mention the reach factor.

    The fight really has all the makings of a total stinkfest because Floyd will not fight the guy like he did Cotto. Cotto allowed him to fight a little more entertaining because there was nothing he couldnt see on the inside. There wasnt any hooks or shots coming from angles he couldnt see and thats the difference in how Floyd would approach the fight using distance and reach and the center of the ring.
     
  9. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Floyd is a master boxer, thats not going to happen. The man that will have to reach and lunge to get close is Pac. Floyd could fight him off his backfoot and stay out of range all night. Again we are seeing Pac knockout guys that stand in front of him. Cotto was the only one who had a more diverse skillset and he even fought him stupid. These guys think they can out strength him and that doesnt happen. Marquez showed its not size that matters you need to box to beat him.
     
  10. TyrantT316

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    Floyd fights guys like Cotto inside because he knows he has the advantage in mobility, speed and defense.

    Vs another sharp boxer like Judah, Mosley, he didn't languish. I think Mayweather, in addition to NOT being 25 anymore, is more comfortable with himself in the ring. When we remember is mobility vs Corrales, Castillo 1 & 2, Gatti, etc, he wasn't in this position of being older and in a good place financially. He couldn't take any chances. Now, I think his experience and belief in himself to go to war, take some shots and entertain causes him to be more relaxed.

    We all know what Floyd is and was capable of. It's a matter of who he applies it against. We have to give Cotto some credit too though, he fought better and more comfortable vs Floyd than he has in the past. He also keeps a high guard which Floyd isn't the type of fighter to power his way through a fighter's high guard like Pacman. He focuses on other ways to land and be effective.

    Floyd is defensive minded and I think that will show vs Pacman.

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  11. Caper

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    I don't want to beat a dead horse but many have already touched on the fact that Pac brings rare style to the ring. Only problem is as gifted as Pac is he still has a good amount of holes in his game that I see Floyd capitializing one all night long. Its just an awful style match up and most Pac fans will be disappointed with the outcome of this fight.
     
  12. TyrantT316

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    In general, Pacman is most likely going to look better than Mayweather vs fighters in front of him. And Mayweather is going to look better than Pacman vs boxers.
     
  13. HANCOCK

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    In and out footwork.
     
  14. salty trunks

    salty trunks Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My belief is Floyd is the complete fighter who can do well against both styles. Manny will struggle with pure boxers always. Its no surprise you hear a guy like Amir Kahn who I feel is vastly overated, is giving Manny problems in the gym, because he can box.
     
  15. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not as of late. :lol: