Why was Cotto so much easier for Pacquiao than he was for Mayweather?

GlassJawsExist · May 7, 2012

Another Slopkins joke thread. This guy is clearly a troll masquerading as a serious poster.-verysad

He is also a disgraceful liar. In his embarrassing MMA prediction thread, he said he's leave the forum for good if it didn't come true. Lo and behold, his prediction was a pile of stinking codswallop, and what did Slopkins do? He moved the goalposts and claimed he was only going to leave the MMA section of ESB.:rofl

A wanker of the highest order. If I ever meet this bumsteak, I shall render him unconsious via a brutal succesion of crisp uppercuts to his big lantern Jaw. :deal

horst · May 7, 2012

GlassJawsExist said: ↑

Another Slopkins joke thread. This guy is clearly a troll masquerading as a serious poster.-verysad

He is also a disgraceful liar. In his embarrassing MMA prediction thread, he said he's leave the forum for good if it didn't come true. Lo and behold, his prediction was a pile of stinking codswallop, and what did Slopkins do? He moved the goalposts and claimed he was only going to leave the MMA section of ESB.:rofl

A wanker of the highest order. If I ever meet this bumsteak, I shall render him unconsious via a brutal succesion of crisp uppercuts to his big lantern Jaw. :deal
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Yawn. Another one of the droves of troll *** haters who frequents this forum. I made an MMA statement, the guy I backed utterly dominated the fight but didn't get the finish I backed him to, so I did exactly as I said and left that forum and have never returned. Lost an MMA wager, so left the MMA forum. Anyway, this guy is a troll *** hater and I got bored of embarrassing them years ago. :smoke

horst · May 7, 2012

Popkins said: ↑

Come on Scar, you're better than this. You are talking ABSOLUTE ****ING NONSENSE here!! nut:nut

Reason#1: Miguel Cotto probably walks around at around 150-165lbs when he's not in training. He does a 9-12 week training camp probably for a fight as big as Pacquiao. You're seriously trying to tell me that a man that weight would feel the difference over a TWELVE WEEK program, cutting to 145 rather than making 146 for Clottey?!?!!

Reason#2: Miguel Cotto started at 140, he was not even a natural welterweight that outgrew 147, he was a light-welter who moved up for big fights once it started becoming difficult to make 140. This is a guy who is 5ft 7in with a 67in reach, it's not as if he is the size of Tito Trinidad who could move from 147 to 154 and then 160, his frame is simply not naturally that size.

Reason#3: If Miguel Cotto found coming in under 147 so difficult to the point that it was debilitating for him, why did he do it so often!? :blood Cotto had 9 fights at a 147lbs limit, and he willingly came in under 147 not once or twice, but 5 times! Was he weight-drained to the point of zombification against Quintana, when he came in at 146 and won by KO? Or in the fight before Pacquiao, when he came in at 146 and won despite suffering a horror cut? Ah right, I suppose not, because it's easy for him to be 146 (1 pound less than 147), but it turns him into a shambling wreck of a fighter to be 145 (1 pound less than 146). ****ing hell, you couldn't make **** like this up!!!

Reason#4: Everyone (including me) accepts that Oscar De La Hoya was weight-drained against Pacquiao. This was because THE EVIDENCE supports this. Oscar De La Hoya hadn't fought at 147 for SEVEN YEARS before facing Manny, so to ask a guy in his mid-30s who'd had a very long career to then cut to a whole weight class lower than he'd been making for many years could of course make a fighter suffer weight-drained and diminished performance. Is this the same situation as a much younger guy who often comes in light voluntarily/naturally, then being asked to weigh ONE POUND less than his previous successful fight??!?! Honestly, this is a ridiculous argument. :scaredas:

Reason#5: I think ODLH was weight-drained vs Pac partly because of THE EVIDENCE I saw in the ring. I don't just make silly decisions based on the irrelevant fact that I have found it difficult to make weight before in my non-professional combat career, I make decisions on fighters like Oscar and Cotto based on... Oscar and Cotto. Slightly more relevant than my own in-gym experiences. I think it is fair to say that ODLH was weight-drained vs Pac because the evidence in the ring shown Oscar to be more tentative, less aggressive, less powerful, and much less active than we saw him even in the recent past. Exactly what EVIDENCE do we have to suggest Miguel Cotto suffered the same weight-draining effects? Cotto is an excellent fighter, but he is known to have issues with chin and stamina in fights with powerful opponents. In the Pac fight, he was fighting very well until he got clipped a few times by a brilliant puncher, never recovered, and got dominated for the rest of the fight by a guy with better speed and stamina. What is your evidence for saying he was weight-drained in the fight? Because you and guys at your gym agree that sweating out a few cheeseburgers is hard work? ****ing hell man, please. Watch the fights, know the circumstances, know your sport, and stop thinking the only thing that's important is your own measly 'experience'. :dead

I think you should consider yourself well and truly schooled on this subject now, because you are talking utter ****, embarrassing ****. I readily accept that fighters can get drained by trying to make weights too low for them (eg: Oscar vs Pac), but to suggest asking a guy who comes in light at 146 voluntarily to drop ONE POUND over a 12-week training camp is a ****ing joke, it is insane. Done. :hi:
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Still waiting for Scar to answer this...

bald_head_slick · May 7, 2012

Popkins said: ↑

Pacquiao fought a younger, fresher Cotto.

Pacquiao lost one round of twelve on my card, dropped him twice, stopped him, dominated him, bashed him up, and made him run away trying to just survive.

Mayweather lost a few rounds, didn't drop him, didn't stop him, got bloodied up, and got a wider decision on the cards than he actually deserved.

Stylistically, why was this?

Even Floyd fans can't seriously say it was the weight.

Cotto's first world title was at 140, and his best wins came at 147 (Mosley, Judah, Clottey, Quintana), so it's not like he was some Mike McCallum type guy who grew up at 154. Cotto's resume at 154 is not very good (Foreman - mediocre, Margarito - borderline shot, Mayorga - both), so it's not like he's performing better there than he did elsewhere. That's bull****.

And if I hear one more person say "catchweight" I will petition the moderators to rename this the Irrational Forum. Cotto weighed ONE POUND less for Pac than he did for his previous fight vs Clottey. One pound? Please.

Anyway, all stylistic points will be welcome :good
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Are you kidding? Are you a Boxing fan?

Fights are won where? In the gym. Let's analyze where Cotto was OUTSIDE of the ring at that time... He had no trainer AND was cutting an extra 2 pounds for no logical reason. Not only this, Cotto was coming off of a loss that would have ended the career of a lesser man. Outside of the ring the man's life was in turmoil. (NOTE: Just like Hatton's and Clottey's. Coincidence?)

As far as saying it wasn't the weight? Then why is he now at 154? Because... It is the weight! Cotto's resume at 154 is decent considering he actually earned it. How about Pac's? A false belt giveaway to Marg to give to Pac.

FMJ seems to have made a conscious decision to stand and bang. It may have something to do with how strong he feels at 150+, because he seemed to do the same against ODLH. It won't happen against Pac. Jabs, straight rights, and lead left hooks all day.

The last pounds are the toughest. So the last few pounds are the ones you sacrifice your body for. To say any different is irrational. Anyone with a moderate knowledge of Boxing or exercise in general knows this.

RealBoxing · May 7, 2012

PacRoid= The Catch-weight Champion. :deal

PaoloMirani · May 7, 2012

Popkins said: ↑

Still waiting for Scar to answer this...
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I made similar albeit abbreviated points to him in another thread. His response was "Is this clown for real?".

Zopilote · May 7, 2012

ZippyMan said: ↑

Simple, Paq is better than PBF.
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JMM disagrees. :deal

PBFred · May 7, 2012

Popkins, your questions were already answered here, quite nicely by SJS, BigReg, MW, among others. Continuing to pour it on just shows what most already know; that you're a cum guzzling, pole smoking, tranny.

arty:busharty

horst · May 7, 2012

bald_head_slick said: ↑

Are you kidding? Are you a Boxing fan?

Fights are won where? In the gym.
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****ing idiot has failed already with his ridiculous second line. atsch

horst · May 7, 2012

PBFred said: ↑

Popkins, your questions were already answered here, quite nicely by SJS, BigReg, MW, among others. Continuing to pour it on just shows what most already know; that you're a cum guzzling, pole smoking, tranny.

arty:busharty
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Another poofy ***** terrified to take on an almighty post!

Bladegunner · May 7, 2012

Popkins said: ↑

Another poofy ***** terrified to take on an almighty post!
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Whatever happened to your pac will destory marques thread?:think

horst · May 7, 2012

Bladegunner said: ↑

Whatever happened to your pac will destory marques thread?:think
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Whatever happened to your how many times will floyd drop cotto thread?

:rofl

MoJoGoodie · May 7, 2012

If it meant nothing...then why ask for the two pounds when you had already had two fights at 147 without the two pounds?

Why ask another fighter in Mosley to shave some pounds when you already have fought at 147 twice and won widely.

Bladegunner · May 7, 2012

Popkins said: ↑

Whatever happened to your how many times will floyd drop cotto thread?

:rofl
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It still in rotation, unlike you it was a question with several available answers one being floyd doesn't have the power to drop cotto atsch

You on the other hand did a personal tirade of your usual bull**** and got shown up to be the biggest jackass on the forum. :rofl

horst · May 7, 2012

MoJoGoodie said: ↑

If it meant nothing...then why ask for the two pounds when you had already had two fights at 147 without the two pounds?
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Is this puny line seriously the one single thing that the ***** Brigade can come up with, in response to the variety of points, facts and statistics detailed below???

You're all starting to sound like Floyd Jr FFS, with his lame single-line media soundbites that prove nothing...

Popkins said: ↑

Come on Scar, you're better than this. You are talking ABSOLUTE ****ING NONSENSE here!! nut:nut

Reason#1: Miguel Cotto probably walks around at around 150-165lbs when he's not in training. He does a 9-12 week training camp probably for a fight as big as Pacquiao. You're seriously trying to tell me that a man that weight would feel the difference over a TWELVE WEEK program, cutting to 145 rather than making 146 for Clottey?!?!!

Reason#2: Miguel Cotto started at 140, he was not even a natural welterweight that outgrew 147, he was a light-welter who moved up for big fights once it started becoming difficult to make 140. This is a guy who is 5ft 7in with a 67in reach, it's not as if he is the size of Tito Trinidad who could move from 147 to 154 and then 160, his frame is simply not naturally that size.

Reason#3: If Miguel Cotto found coming in under 147 so difficult to the point that it was debilitating for him, why did he do it so often!? :blood Cotto had 9 fights at a 147lbs limit, and he willingly came in under 147 not once or twice, but 5 times! Was he weight-drained to the point of zombification against Quintana, when he came in at 146 and won by KO? Or in the fight before Pacquiao, when he came in at 146 and won despite suffering a horror cut? Ah right, I suppose not, because it's easy for him to be 146 (1 pound less than 147), but it turns him into a shambling wreck of a fighter to be 145 (1 pound less than 146). ****ing hell, you couldn't make **** like this up!!!

Reason#4: Everyone (including me) accepts that Oscar De La Hoya was weight-drained against Pacquiao. This was because THE EVIDENCE supports this. Oscar De La Hoya hadn't fought at 147 for SEVEN YEARS before facing Manny, so to ask a guy in his mid-30s who'd had a very long career to then cut to a whole weight class lower than he'd been making for many years could of course make a fighter suffer weight-drained and diminished performance. Is this the same situation as a much younger guy who often comes in light voluntarily/naturally, then being asked to weigh ONE POUND less than his previous successful fight??!?! Honestly, this is a ridiculous argument. :scaredas:

Reason#5: I think ODLH was weight-drained vs Pac partly because of THE EVIDENCE I saw in the ring. I don't just make silly decisions based on the irrelevant fact that I have found it difficult to make weight before in my non-professional combat career, I make decisions on fighters like Oscar and Cotto based on... Oscar and Cotto. Slightly more relevant than my own in-gym experiences. I think it is fair to say that ODLH was weight-drained vs Pac because the evidence in the ring shown Oscar to be more tentative, less aggressive, less powerful, and much less active than we saw him even in the recent past. Exactly what EVIDENCE do we have to suggest Miguel Cotto suffered the same weight-draining effects? Cotto is an excellent fighter, but he is known to have issues with chin and stamina in fights with powerful opponents. In the Pac fight, he was fighting very well until he got clipped a few times by a brilliant puncher, never recovered, and got dominated for the rest of the fight by a guy with better speed and stamina. What is your evidence for saying he was weight-drained in the fight? Because you and guys at your gym agree that sweating out a few cheeseburgers is hard work? ****ing hell man, please. Watch the fights, know the circumstances, know your sport, and stop thinking the only thing that's important is your own measly 'experience'. :dead

I think you should consider yourself well and truly schooled on this subject now, because you are talking utter ****, embarrassing ****. I readily accept that fighters can get drained by trying to make weights too low for them (eg: Oscar vs Pac), but to suggest asking a guy who comes in light at 146 voluntarily to drop ONE POUND over a 12-week training camp is a ****ing joke, it is insane. Done. :hi:
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*****s beaten by sound logic and reasoning as ever.

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