Why was Cotto so much easier for Pacquiao than he was for Mayweather?

Styles make fights...at this level ALL fighters have a lot to bring to the table....but certain qualities without question cause difficulties for some styles versus others.

PAC wouldn't have such an easy time with Floyd...I'm certain of it. But just like PAC struggles with JMM style....Floyd won a very one sided UD. There's a lot of variables that make boxing very hard to predict the outcome at this level. So many things need to be factored in but if you factor in the right things....most of the time you can predict the outcome pretty accurately.

 

JEEEEZUS

you gave OPINIONS as to why u THINK he was ok at 145...however your not Cotto so your opinions are just that good opinions.

What your not adressing is WHY ASK FOR THE CATCHWEIGHT? What is they're reason when Pac had already showned he was fine twice at 147.

 

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If catch weights aren't a big deal then why does pac force them? Obviouslyits to his advantage.

 

Popkins got ****in owned in this thread...wow!

 

Can everyone please wait for the replay before jumping to conclusions. I'm telling you let the post fight high wear off then make judgments because alot of you are sounding very stupid right now. 117-11 is a good score.

 

deal:deal

 

This pretty much answers *****s respond that Cotto was drained. Bravo Popkins.

 

The biggest reason. Perdo ****ing Diaz. He put Cotto back together like the 6 million dollar man.

 

First of all, your assumption of Cotto's "walk around" weight is irrelevant. Please don't get ahead of yourself there, you don't know his walk around weight as I don't, so please don't use nonsensical assumptions as facts.

Are you honestly trying to tell me that his training camp would be 100% normal and similar to usual training camps when a catchweight is required?. That defeats the purpose of conditioners specializing in that field of preparation, doesn't it?

When a fighter is subjected to a specific weight, he needs to be conditioned and prepared for it. There's no such thing as "I'll have to make 145 one week before the weigh-in", even if there was you can't honestly tell me with a straight damn face that it's healthy to take that approach.

He weighed 146 against Clottey as normal as he would any WELTERWEIGHT fight, they condition him to weigh from 141 to 147, which is the welterweight limit comfortably and freely. He's not subjected to anything specific as he was for Pacquiao. If that's difficult to comprehend you need to hit the gym to fully understand why weight divisions exist in this sport. Otherwise we could make the discussion that 122 is just FOUR POUNDS away from 126!, so why does the featherweight division exist!?

I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion in any way. It's pretty simple and obvious, the man has been weighing from 146.5 to 147 as a welterweight for 3 years straight, which obviously means his body got used to the weight division, till the catchweight fight came up. The reason why the catchweight came up was obvious and admitted by Roach who pretty much said his fighter isn't even physically attained to the weight category yet so some advantage needs to be considered.

Unlike you, I never said Cotto found moving down physically distressful nor did I assume he did and pretended it's a fact, like you obviously do with your hilarious claims.

Cotto has been weighing 146.5 to 147 for ALL his fights at welterweight for 3 years straight, what does that mean to you?, use your head for a split second and TRY to look through this as reasonable as you could. When a man moves up in weight because his previous weight division is difficult to make it means that he has as many pounds necessary, considering the weight division, to increase and feel comfortable doing so. Obviously his conditioning team knows/studies what's best for him and where he would be more comfortable, whether it be 145 or 143 or at the mark of 147. There's a reason they usually assume that when a fighter usually hits the very mark(147 in this case) for numerous fights it means that he might be struggling at the weight and is barely making the limit required.

Again I'll repeat my question, if 2 pounds is nothing and can be done by simply typing behind a computer and spitting in a trash can, why the hell was it requested by Freddie Roach to begin with?. I hope you know that Roach was also trying to get him down as low as 143(the weight Pacquiao is comfortable at) only to agree when Cotto brought up "145 or nothing". Why would he have agreed?, I mean it's only TWO DAMN POUNDS, right?, it's nothing so why was it still requested?

Here's a painful fact, if you have no clue whatsoever how weights work, it doesn't mean that they mean nothing. It just means that you need to educate yourself more.

The DLH fight is a totally different subject, Pacquiao sure as hell wasn't going to move up three weight divisions for one fight so some consequences needed to be considered by DLH his self if he wanted the fight. Whether he was weight drained or not is a different subject, in this case we're talking about divisions, not catchweights and it's a totally different subject/camp preparation.

Do you honestly want to tell me what catchweights are easily done and harmless in most cases?, seriously?

If so, which is obvious and hilarious, why the hell are they requested?!

Again, you type in a load of junk there and you're putting words in my mouth. I never suggested for one second that Cotto was "drained" in any way or form. What I'm saying is that the catchweight request DOES HAVE IT'S ADVANTAGES, otherwise catchweight requests wouldn't be common in this sport. Roach made it clear when he said that his fighter is obviously smaller than those guys so some kind of compensation must be made. Of course, those mean nothing to you because it's only 2 pounds man!

Another fact, two pounds of pretty much living a normal life is NOTHING compared to 2 pounds athletically and professionally in any sport. It's like some fat slob claiming to be a heavyweight because he's over 200 pounds of pure fat when in reality he's in no professional weight category.

Why the **** do conditioners make a living conditioning athletes for any situation necessary, whether it was a catchweight request, new weight division or whatever. And you can find specialists in every field, whether it's moving down, making a specific catchweight request or moving up. If you haven't been to an actual quality gym to run into those guys and put your body to the test, google is your damn friend.

Oh please, spare me the schooling nonsense because that only makes you look more a muppet than you already are. Like a woman with hormonal failure you make assumptions only to claim them to be facts and shamelessly use them in examples when you're obviously clueless.

Again I repeat, if 2 pounds is absolutely nothing(because you obviously think your shapeless 2 pounds compares to that of a professional athlete) why in the blue hell was it requested?, for 24/7 drama?. Why were penalties($1million per pound) applied to each 1 pound exceeding the limit requested?, I mean it's 1 pound man!, what the hell...

Welcome to school of professional weights 101.

 

Pacquiao fought a lesser version of Cotto than Mayweather did.

 

I'm a Floyd fan(would love both if they meet up on fair terms) but I'm tired of people always trying to compare their performances in an endless competitive manner. Both gave great fights against Cotto and people's opinions of this mega fantasy fight will change in the midnight of Jun 10 anyways. And, styles make fights.

Floyd would rather let his man come forward giving Cotto more opportunities but also couldn't move nearly as fast as he used to. Like this less stationary Floyd though as he has to rely on skills over athletic ability to mold his style to fit his age. Floyd went in the trenches with Cotto with infighting which Pacquiao knows nothing about. He fought Cotto's fight and won whereas Manny dictacted the fight after the 3rd rd and commenced the domination.

Pacquiao is opposite. He refuses to be patient like Floyd but feints himself in and gets there reckless but still somehow landing the bizarre punches he does. He loves activity and come forward types don't have the confidence that Cotto had against Floyd. Pacquiao was the aggressor opposed to Cotto being one in much of his fight with Floyd.

I have to give Floyd more credit because of the weight and he diminishes his credit with these catchweights as I feel he could've beaten Cotto without it. Only acceptable CW's are against DLH & JMM. Lettuce not forget that Mayweather/Cotto was fought at an actual weight class for a legitimate belt. Will give full credit for Bradley though, great fight.

 

This thread has kept me entertained for the past half hour, cheers guys :good

 

No, and multiple people have actually took what he wrote and responded to it.. Popkins has yet to respond to any of those.. Wonder why....