Floyd Mayweather Jr. .Vs. Don Curry

Thanks, PP:good

But there's no need for that.

This is my only id.

I just read classic forum a lot, have a good memory, seen a few fights and boxed a bit myself.

Actually I'm not sure welter Floyd is faster - Curry was very quick with single shots.
McCrory's left hook knockdown is still one the fastest left hooks ever thrown.

Defensively Floyd is better.

Curry in his short prime was almost complete fighter though - very good textbook technician without any glaring flaws.

It seemed like Curry was troubled (weight problems aside) by Honeyghan's awkward aggression.

Floyd fights nothing like that.

He'd try to outpotshot hard punching sharp shooter - tough task.

I recall you gave Forrest pretty good chance at beating Floyd.

The jab is the key, right?


By the way who's tougher fight for Floyd - Curry or Ragamuffin'?

 

You miss my point, and I think it was deliberate.

The point was that this is the resume Floyd is basing his "greatness" from, when in 2007, there were a handful of fighters he could have fought and proved it. He could have beaten every one of 'em, but he didn't. He found a way to fight everyone, ANYONE else but the young, hungry, dangerous guys.

On the flip side, Curry fought the tough fights. His opposition was better. He didn't shy away from challenges.

 

Agreed. Not at 147 he isn't.

 

PBF has some pop in his shots but he`s not even close to SRL and don`t even mention him any where close to Hearns. And besides, aren`t we talking about PBF`s power at 147 ?Stinging a very well worn Mosely doesn`t count. Hatton and Judah, chins are a big ? Especially at 147. PBF would not even tickle Curry, Hearns or SRL at 147,bet on it...Where as the left hook that did in McCrory, might give PBF some trouble...

 

And hey I liked PBF early on, he was a beast and fought some tough ones early on. But, come on at 147 ???????

 

Good post !

 

Thanks, mate.

 

Curry has what it takes so he would be the favirote for me, but I wouldnt be suprised if Floyd pulled out a close decision, the fact floyd was a featherweight and we match him up vs great natural welters and he has a realistic chance of winning alot of these fights says something.

 

Victor Ortiz? The most dangerous young puncher in the division? A guy who was coming off a big win over young hungry undefeated welterweight champion Andre Berto?

Who might they be?

Antonio Margarito? The guy who got utterly destroyed by Shane Mosley(whom Mayweather won a wide UD)

Paul Williams? moved up to 154-160lb.

Miguel Cotto?(whom Mayweather just beat by UD)

Joshua Clottey? Lost to everyone

Andre Berto?(lost to Ortiz whom Mayweather knocked out)



The only guy I will give you is Pacman. That fight should happen.

 

Ortiz was a calculated move; he was young and hungry, but I was referring to the 2007 Mayweather, like you wanted to use in your argument... You keep jumping back and forth to suit your argument, so which is it?

And yes, Cotto, who at the time they should have fought, was much more dangerous than the version from last week.

Yes, Margarito, who Mayweather wouldn't go near. So what if he lost to Mosley? He probably would have lost to Mayweather, but the fact is that Floyd didn't fight him.

That brings up a guy you left off your list, Mosley, and not the totally shot version you wished to use for your argument. The Mosley from 5 or 6 years ago was tons better and would have been a legitimately dangerous fight for Floyd.

Williams would have made 147 for a Floyd fight 5 or 6 years ago, easy.

Clottey and Berto are in the Ortiz basket; young, unproven/untested, but it doesn't matter, because Floyd never fought them!

 

Curry was quick but I'd still stick by Mayweather being the quicker. I used to rate handspeed just on the speed of the hands. But it's as much about reacting to openings as the actual hands and not giving any signs telegraph, which is a particular strength of Floyd, more so than his raw speed of hand. Floyd from late 05-07 is also considerably quicker than 09 onwards.

I think Forrest is a stylistic problem because of his range/speed/jab, general outboxer qualities.

Curry unlike Forrest often gives up his height and prefers to look for powershots, with his mid range hooks and overhands. Harder punches to land and control fights with. Mayweather also doesn't have left hooks land on him very often, jabs and rights yes but not Curry's favourite punch. His wider stance and stoop give up his height advantage and his somewhat slower feet make him easier to land on by a quick sharpshooter.

Now I by no means outright pick Mayweather because Curry has the speed to land and the power to break him down or stop him. What we have is a bull metador scenario and Floyd every bit the metador in this match up. Having said that Curry would be far and away the best technician Mayweather would share a ring with

Tougher fight for Floyd? Good question, they both are very tough fights and imo better than anyone he's been in with 147 and above or at all for that matter, I rate them both very highly H2H but maybe Curry with his technical ability, speed, power combined with the pressure. Both underrated by the likes of SuzieQ due to their short primes and the lack of fashion of their era

Cotto wasn't better 4years ago, he's tightened up his defence and come to the level where he can beat Margarito, Cotto has been 160lbs in the ring since '05, so obviously he is stronger at the 154 weight class, where as Floyd is not. The fight was signed as soon as Cotto left Arum, Arum is clearly a major issue in whether fights are made or not

Mosley turned the fight down in 06 (citing vacation/dental work) and 00. Margarito turned the fight down in '06 when Judah lost to Baldomir. Then Arum offered a 21million contract to fight Margarito/Cotto/Hatton, Arum ruled out a Delahoya fight citing 'my cut would be too small'. Mayweather turned it down buying out his contract to make the Baldomir fight (5million), Delahoya (25million) and Hatton (around 20million). So made twice as much money by not signing with Arum

Williams pressure would be a problem, and the risk reward certainly did add up, but after seeing him

DLH of '07> Mosley/Cotto/Margarito ability wise. Floyd does work on the risk reward scale but generally will make the big money fights.

 

Such a tough call.

Both guys look exceptional whilst seemingly not reaching their ww potential.

Curry on his best night was brilliant but i'm not sure if he was any better than floyd on his best night. Floyd is certainly more consistent and better at adapting his gameplan.

I think floyd could beat curry to the punch here and finish stronger down the stretch.

Close points win by floyd I think.

 

no he isnt overated. it's just a bad fight for floyd to take.


as someone already said. forrest beat mosley eaisly twice but that doesnt mean he is the better fighter in general...yah semme?

 

You always have good posts, and back up your points with sound arguements. Do we think it`s possible that the Curry of the McCrory fights shows up and finds a home for THAT left hook ?

 

Had that been the same Margarito of the first fight, Cotto would have lost again.