George Chuvalo (1967) vs David Tua (1997) 12 rounds - who would win it?

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  1. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    The Canadian strongman had his eyesocket shattered by a "Smokin" Joe Frazier lefthook in 67.' I believe this is the only time Chuvalo winced in pain or showed any vulnerability in a prizefight that I can recall. He was the standard bearer for durability in a boxing ring.

    Tua was durable as well and really showed good stamina during this period of his checkered career. He came back to stop Oleg Maskaev in a signature performance in 1997. He was behind on the scorecards when he accomplished that feat. Then the classic with Ibeabuchi in which Tua fought brilliantly but lost a disputed decision. He will have his hands full with the Croatian caveman in his face for 12 hard rounds.

    Who takes it?
     
  2. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tua's career wasn't checkered , it was almost stellar .
    He wouldn't have had his hands full .
    In this 1 Chuvalo goes down and hurt worse than he was vs George Foreman (D Frazier fight doesn't count much 4 me) . Tua had more power in his punches than Foreman , quicker punches and hence more energy and momentum in them if he landed from close range because he could accelerate his punches quicker than Foreman due 2 having shorter arms and more muscle tissue than Foreman . Foreman landed harder from longer ranges because he could actually reach from longer range and could accumulate more leverage along d longer way . If and when Chuvalo tries / tempts 2 trade then he goes down and possibly out or down and later stopped . If Chuvalo tries 2 retreat like he did vs Foreman , Bonavena and i read that also Cleroux in at least 1 of their fights , he may fare better and longer and it depends on d speed difference between them . If Tua catches him it is going 2b much worse than Bonavena catching him . Tua would have had no worries of Chuvalo's power except from d pain of d mere impact on his skin , but Tua wasn't a cutter and pressed 4ward against harder hitters than Chuvalo .
    Under just refereeing Tua beats Chuvalo by either decision or a stoppage (may b n early 1 as well) depending on Chuvalo's choice of direction .
     
  3. bigjake

    bigjake Active Member Full Member

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    frazier never did that damage to chuvalo,it was inflected during sparring for the fight.it was a fluke accident,chuvalo still went ahead with the fight knowing if he took to much punishment to the eye he would be in trouble.
     
  4. luke

    luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the chuvalo foreman fight is bs tbh, chuvalo had a drink but then sobard up, he was fighting 11 days later in poland, never say never but i dont see either one koing the other, depends what tua turned up vs david izon and ike ibeabuci tua had alot of trouble because he couldnt knock them out fast, i think chuvalo could capitalise on this, then again chuvalo was out boxed by some mediocre boxers of the day.
     
  5. kenmore

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    Tua had busier hands than Chuvalo, I'm guessing. I may be wrong. I think Tua wins a decision.
     
  6. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chuvalo, in peak condition (without a physical compromise like the eye injury he took on Frazier with), stands his ground, makes Tua concede territory, then wears David down with attrition, combined with the exertion of Tua being forced to give way. David wasn't somebody who could move and box like Bonavena and Jerry Quarry (who had accumulated a big lead on George when Chuvalo decked him). Even Foreman and Frazier had to give ground to the Croatian-Canadian Gibraltar.

    No picnic for either, but too much exertion required for Tua to win over the long haul against a rugged powerhouse like George.
     
  7. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chuvalo was a strong, rugged, teak-tough man. So was Tua. I like Chuvalo more, but I don't want to play favorites. I'd favor Tua to earn a hard-fought decision.
     
  8. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    The somewhat more consistent and busier Tua edges a closer than expected decision. Chuvalo holds his ground though and hustles some rounds with his body work.

    Yes, I just picked Tua in a fantasy fight.
     
  9. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    Thanks for the info Jake.
     
  10. clark

    clark Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tua was not stronger and did not hit harder than Foreman.
    Tua might win by stoppage or get tired and get stopped himself.
     
  11. Absolutely!

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    Didn't hit harder than Foreman? Veeerry disputable, I think. And what the hell leads you to believe that he might get stopped by Chuvalo???
     
  12. Absolutely!

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    Tua couldn't box and move like Quarry. What he could do, of course, was punch like the clappers and Chuvalo was not hard to hit. Very few fighters every backed Tua up, and they did it by outboxing him, not physically grinding him down. Tua, prime Tua, was built like a fridge and was one of the most physically strong heavyweights I can ever recall, not to mention absolutely brutal on the offence. Chuvalo would find himself not only failing to get Tua on the backfoot but absorbing a hell of a lot of punishment for his trouble, too much for even him to take on a consistent basis.

    What's with this "Tua fades over the long haul" stuff anyway? In his prime he had tremendous late rounds stamina and punching power.
     
  13. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Chuvalo was out-boxed by Bonavena.

    The guy was hardly some dancing world class boxer.

    I honestly think Tua decisions him. Prime Tua had a lot going for him.
     
  14. Seamus

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    A) Tua was more a 1 punch KO guy than Foreman. Foreman beat down his opponents until they no longer got off the canvas. Tua knocked them unconscious.

    B) Tua had excellent stamina in his prime, record setting stamina as far as punch stats are concerned. He didn't get tired when in shape and in his prime.
     
  15. Danmann

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    Tua by decision. If in shape. The way he came in for his shot at title with Lewis was complete disgrace.