Current David Haye vs Ali at the rumble in the jungle instead of Foreman

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  1. Duffy

    Duffy Guest

    With Haye having the same height, style, power and weight as young Foreman just how do we think this fight would go down seeing Ali vs "The Hayemaker" during the exact same moment in history.


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    With Haye being equal to all of Foreman's attributes then we also have to look at the advantages that has over Foreman.

    Footwork.

    The characteristic footwork employed by most of the world's major boxing has changed little over the centuries, and has remained largely invariable between radically different cultures. The boxer relies on 'push stepping'. In which the leading leg advances first, then the rear, with the feet coming to rest in the exact relative position.

    Rear movement is a reversal of this step, and lateral movement involves push stepping in the same fashion, with the foot closest to the desired direction stepping laterally, followed by the opposite foot, which is used to move the body.
    For the pugilist, footwork is to be deft and simplistic, allowing the fighter to move in and out of striking range as quickly as possible. Footwork is key to generating sufficient power in the basic strikes shared between the major styles. During the jab, the lead foot can move forward to close distance or remain stationary. During the cross, the rear foot pivots inward to launch the rear shoulder forward, allowing the cross a good deal of its strength. During the left hook, the lead foot pivots in an inward manner to transfer bodyweight. The right hook's pivot is identical to the cross (assuming the boxer is orthodox). The lead uppercut, like the jab does not use any pivotal motion, the power comes from the transfer of bodyweight to the lead foot. The rear uppercut employs the same inward pivot as the cross. To maintain balance, both feet can step, pivot or slide as appropriate. The jab may be thrown while moving forward or backward; for the other punches it is advisable not to throw while in motion.

    Head movement.

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    All in all I think Haye will be able to push ali to the limits but in the end lose this one on points.
     
    Duffy, May 9, 2012
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I liked reading what you wrote and I love the enthusiasm. We could use more opening posts like that around here.

    But are you kidding? Haye versus Ali? Haye goes into his shell and looses a wide UD.
     
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  3. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As Ali himself would say "Haye has two chances.......Slim and none. And Slim has just left town"

    Ali,in 1974,would have been too fast and strong for the Hayemaker.

    I'm waiting for Frankenfurter to post on this one. No doubt he'll come out with eccentric ideas about Haye knocking Ali out in the first round :D
     
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  4. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Haye does not have the same style and power as Foreman. For one thing, he is a sharper, explosive puncher and not a heavy clubber. Furthermore, both men excelled at different weights.

    Haye does not measure up to Foreman at heavyweight at all.

    His speed and natural coordination could be an annoyance to Ali at this point if his craft was better, but it is woefully underwhelming. His punch output is also on the low side. Ali's chin and willpower almost nullifies his punchers chance. I don't see any way for him to win at all.

    He has athletic talent, and could have realized more of his potential with a world-class trainer.
     
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  5. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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  6. biglemon

    biglemon Guest

    Are you kidding? Haye would not go the distance with Ali, no way, Ali stoppage within 7 rounds!
     
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  7. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He hit harder than Doug Jones , didn't he ? and Jones had Ali held up by d ropes .
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    no2mention a certain lesser British cruiserweight than Haye .
     
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  8. KINGOFTHE1ROUND

    KINGOFTHE1ROUND Guest

    David Haye is 6'3. Foreman was 6'4 (clearly an inch taller than Ali,Norton and Ron Lyle) Haye and Prime Foreman were around 225 pounds so that's fine. But,Foreman wasn't a cruiserweight at first. Foreman was a much bigger frame and naturally thicker man. Haye doesn't have half of Foreman's power or a chin as good as Foreman. Ali would fight Haye differently than he did Foreman. As we know Haye is just a one punch stalker and Ali would win every round and stop Haye in 7 by TKO. The only thing Haye is better than Foreman at is speed.
     
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  9. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I`ll copy & paste my post from your identical thread in the general... won`t be long.
     
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  10. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Your actually serious here ?

    OK, Ali is faster than Haye, has a longer reach, has superior footwork, hits at least as hard, is naturally bigger, throws every punch technically better, especially the jab & is light years ahead of him in terms of boxing ability.

    Haye wouldn`t win a round & vs that version of Ali doesn`t see the 8th round, he`d get toyed with, dominated & stopped... it`s a mismatch.
     
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  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think most people agree, Haye gets his ass kicked and badly. But the one caveat that I'd like to point out, is that Ali systematically struggled with getting hit by the left hook throughout all phases of his career, pre-prime, prime and post prime. Didn't seem to matter if he was fighting an all time great like Joe Frazier, fringe type like cooper or even a journeyman like Wepner. Haye's hook and style could pose some problemes, but at the end of the day Ali is winning. No doubt about it.
     
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  12. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Haye is no better than Doug Jones IMO.

    Don't bring your trolling over 'ere punk.

    McGrain: apparently this guy thinks Pacqiuao beats Hagler :-(
     
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  13. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Haye's left hook isn't all that.

    Ali stops Haye IMO. He'd be less wary of anything coming back than Wlad was, and probably offended by Haye's negativity.
     
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  14. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    He posted it there as well :patsch

    To the poster above: Haye's best weight is around 210, not 225. He was around 210 for Fraudley and Wlad IIRC :good
     
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  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Haye is so much more shredded.

    He has to win.
     
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